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Old 08-15-2013   #341
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The plays that some of us are getting all excited about where he went off schedule might not be plays that Kubiak is happy about. That doesn't mean that Kubiak isn't happy with some other plays.

We don't know.
I think it's even more grayer than that.

It could be the very same play. Kubiak would ask Case to describe his thought process, if Case recite back the keys he's supposed to look at & the reads were right, that's a point. If those reads said chuck it & run, or "Yer on yer own." & Case made something happen, that's another point.

If his answer reveals he didn't get to his second read because protection in front of him, or to his left, or whatever broke down...... & he made something happen, that's a point.

However, if Kubiak believes he should have gotten to his 3rd read, but decided to flush out to his left... made a play, moved the chains, or scored..

no point.

He's got to get so many points before Kubiak says he earned a run with the 2nd unit.

I think it's obvious he did enough right things that Kubiak was already talking about putting him in with the second team when the game was over.

Where I think the problem is, is that many are saying Tj looked terrible & Case looked better... & that's not an apples to apples comparison. Tj didn't look terrible. He wasn't perfect, but very few players turn in one perfect game in there whole career.

Tj looked like Schaub. Far as I can tell, Schaub's the bar.

If I were Kubiak, Case would have to look as competent as Schaub does running this offense to make the team, or at least reasonably close. .... better would be good, I wouldn't have a problem with better.


It has nothing to do with being better or worse than Tj. If Case Keenum was playing for the Philadelphia Eagles, there's no doubt in my mind that Kubiak would go into the season with Tj Yates as our back up QB... most likely wouldn't have brought anyone in to compete with him.
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You guys are real live creating your own narratives.

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Are you just coming up with a scenario or are you saying this is probably happening in real life?

Because if you guys are saying this is likely what's really happening, I couldn't disagree more.

Kubiak isn't going to elevate a guy to run with a higher group if he's not doing things that he likes. He's not going to give case a shot with the two's if he can't even do the right thing with the threes. You earn opportunities like this.

Btw, not all coaches are like how you describe. Plenty of coaches say if you make a mistake make it going 100 mph. Meaning, don't let a mistake during a play affect your effort.
If you have a guy making a mental error you could easily have kubiak chewing him out but praising him for making something out of it.

But it's a big assumption anyways that he's making a bunch of mistakes.
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To be honest, the biggest problem I think Keenum will have
is that he is not a good practice-time player.

Never has been.

Under Art Briles he couldn't separate himself from a guy
named Blake Joseph in practice in 2007. Joseph later
transferred to a D1-AA school and was unremarkable.

Under Sumlin he had to split time during practice with
multiple QB's without any distinction.

It wasn't until he got on the field, and got into the action
that his coaches were able to see the talent he had.

I don't think Gary operates that way. I think Gary needs
a guy to look like a pro-bowler in practice before he
trusts him in game situations.

That could be Keenum's achilles heel. And if TJ puts on
a good practice or two in a row it could spell more bench time
for Keenum.

The only fear that I have is that Gary will be silly enough
to put him on the practice squad. My nightmare is to have
Case running a touchdown back against the Texans for
another team (a la Vince Young with the titans)

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Case is perfect for practice squad.
Unless he beats out TJ for the #2 spot. Because it doesn't matter if Keenum has practice squad eligibility and Yates doesn't if Keenum is the better player. The question then would be, do you keep TJ on the 53?

I don't know if Keenum has to "kill" or "crush" to make the roster (though 3 scoring drives in 4 attempts probably meets that definition). He just has to beat out Yates.
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You guys are real live creating your own narratives.

That's cool. I can dig it.
It has become comedy at this point.
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Yep. I think you're pretty dead on about that.

When some of us fans hear about how well Case did going off-schedule, it's like... Yeah! That's what we need! A guy who performs when the play breaks down!

But that's probably NOT what Kubiak is saying at all. The play probably went off schedule because Case didn't do what Kubiak wanted him to do. That's not a good thing to be doing if you want to stay on the team, regardless of how successful you happened to be on those plays.
I went back and looked at all the passing plays carefully, and I must say I was "extremely" impressed with the way Keenum operated.

Look at his eyes before the snap.
Look at his eyes all through the plays.
The guy didn't show the safeties, the LBs, the CBs, the D-linemen a thing.
They had no idea where he was going to go with the ball (unless the receiver is abosutelt open and he had a clear passing lane.)

Look at the off-schede play with 5:48 to go in the third.
He went through all five reads in less than 3 secs and saw nothing anywhere.
Maehl was covered.
He wanted Jean, but knew that the LB was going to pop him in the middle of the field as the safety comes up, so he immediately looked to his right.
Neither TE was open, and the LB was eying his RB like a lion ready to pound.
So he took off and evaded to the outside.
As soon as he got past the grab of the D-lineman, he turned his eyes immediately upfield.
He didn't settle for the RB, but went further downfield back to Jean for the first down.
That was at least seven reads in one play.
I am sure Kubiak was pleased.

With Schaub and Yates, IMO, the most likely that would have happened was a pass on the first read to Jean, who would be popped right away across the middle by the LB - not a pretty sight.

Or maybe Schaub would look to the left, saw the LB keying the RB, and threw the ball out of bound.

Or maybe Yates will throw the ball to the RB for no gain, maybe even a loss as the LB jumps on him.

Are you guys seeing this or am I making this all up?
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Delhomme works..Garcia was weird in that he sent 3 or 4 years in Canada before signing. think that is still fine since it is not like there are a ton other "Canadian" QBs (warren Moon of course) who have come back to the US and made an impact.
John Kitna is another guy.
He wend undrafted in 1996, but ended up starting 124 games.
His teams weren't very good, but he managed to win the division once (in 99) and garnered Come Back Player of the Year in 2003.

Not too shabby, I don't think.
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The one thing that always amazed me about Keenum was his
ability to rapidly find, and move into a position to throw to the
open man.

In 2009 Keenum had 3 receivers on the team that had 1,000
yard receiving seasons and all were on the biletnikoff watch list.

He even made use of an H-back/tight end when one was available
(IE: 2009)

The guy had no "go to guy", and in 2010 after Keenum was
injured one of the 3 receivers I referred to left the team because
he felt he wasn't being used correctly (and had bad teammate
issues too..)

One gripe I have about Schaub is (from my perspective) he just
keeps locking in on one guy. Granted AJ and OD are great, yes,
but I don't feel that Matt spreads the ball around enough.

It's going to be really interesting to see how many targets guys
like Hopkins, Posey, et. al. actually get this year.

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I went back and looked at all the passing plays carefully, and I must say I was "extremely" impressed with the way Keenum operated.

Look at his eyes before the snap.
Look at his eyes all through the plays.
The guy didn't show the safeties, the LBs, the CBs, the D-linemen a thing.
They had no idea where he was going to go with the ball (unless the receiver is abosutelt open and he had a clear passing lane.)

Look at the off-schede play with 5:48 to go in the third.
He went through all five reads in less than 3 secs and saw nothing anywhere.
Maehl was covered.
He wanted Jean, but knew that the LB was going to pop him in the middle of the field as the safety comes up, so he immediately looked to his right.
Neither TE was open, and the LB was eying his RB like a lion ready to pound.
So he took off and evaded to the outside.
As soon as he got past the grab of the D-lineman, he turned his eyes immediately upfield.
He didn't settle for the RB, but went further downfield back to Jean for the first down.
That was at least seven reads in one play.
I am sure Kubiak was pleased.

With Schaub and Yates, IMO, the most likely that would have happened was a pass on the first read to Jean, who would be popped right away across the middle by the LB - not a pretty sight.

Or maybe Schaub would look to the left, saw the LB keying the RB, and threw the ball out of bound.

Or maybe Yates will throw the ball to the RB for no gain, maybe even a loss as the LB jumps on him.

Are you guys seeing this or am I making this all up?
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Looking in my crystal ball I see Case Keenum taking over the starting duties from Schaub, and then bringing home six Super Bowl trophies before we trade him off to Oakland for their next five 1st round picks. He then proceeds to bring Oakland four more Super Bowls before retiring to a life in California politics. He is elected governor and creates a scientific council that solves the riddle of earthquake prediction. After two terms of President of the US in which he not only balances the budget, creates a huge surplus while putting an additional 20 billion people on welfare and merging the US with Russia monopolizing the world’s oil and mineral markets, he creates the World Science Emporium which discovers the grand unified theory of physics and the secrets of the universe. He leaves on a starship and we never see him again after that. It is said he started a new alien NFL in the Ursa Major star system and becomes their god.

None of this happens if he goes to the practice squad and gets snatched up by Cleveland where he will end up a used car salesman. This is why I get so pissed off when you people keep talking about putting him on the practice squad.
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Looking in my crystal ball I see Case Keenum taking over the starting duties from Schaub, and then bringing home six Super Bowl trophies before we trade him off to Oakland for their next five 1st round picks. He then proceeds to bring Oakland four more Super Bowls before retiring to a life in California politics. He is elected governor and creates a scientific council that solves the riddle of earthquake prediction. After two terms of President of the US in which he not only balances the budget, creates a huge surplus while putting an additional 20 billion people on welfare and merging the US with Russia monopolizing the world’s oil and mineral markets, he creates the World Science Emporium which discovers the grand unified theory of physics and the secrets of the universe. He leaves on a starship and we never see him again after that. It is said he started a new alien NFL in the Ursa Major star system and becomes their god.

None of this happens if he goes to the practice squad and gets snatched up by Cleveland where he will end up a used car salesman. This is why I get so pissed off when you people keep talking about putting him on the practice squad.
You left out the part about the discovery of a pill that makes obese
people slim like anorexic fashion models.

And, if he goes to the practice squad he ends up being hired as an
assitant to help Rex Ryan locate foot models for NY Jet cleats..

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Looking in my crystal ball I see Case Keenum taking over the starting duties from Schaub, and then bringing home six Super Bowl trophies before we trade him off to Oakland for their next five 1st round picks. He then proceeds to bring Oakland four more Super Bowls before retiring to a life in California politics. He is elected governor and creates a scientific council that solves the riddle of earthquake prediction. After two terms of President of the US in which he not only balances the budget, creates a huge surplus while putting an additional 20 billion people on welfare and merging the US with Russia monopolizing the world’s oil and mineral markets, he creates the World Science Emporium which discovers the grand unified theory of physics and the secrets of the universe. He leaves on a starship and we never see him again after that. It is said he started a new alien NFL in the Ursa Major star system and becomes their god.

None of this happens if he goes to the practice squad and gets snatched up by Cleveland where he will end up a used car salesman. This is why I get so pissed off when you people keep talking about putting him on the practice squad.
Absolutely hilarious.

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Looking in my crystal ball I see Case Keenum taking over the starting duties from Schaub, and then bringing home six Super Bowl trophies before we trade him off to Oakland for their next five 1st round picks. He then proceeds to bring Oakland four more Super Bowls before retiring to a life in California politics. He is elected governor and creates a scientific council that solves the riddle of earthquake prediction. After two terms of President of the US in which he not only balances the budget, creates a huge surplus while putting an additional 20 billion people on welfare and merging the US with Russia monopolizing the world’s oil and mineral markets, he creates the World Science Emporium which discovers the grand unified theory of physics and the secrets of the universe. He leaves on a starship and we never see him again after that. It is said he started a new alien NFL in the Ursa Major star system and becomes their god.

None of this happens if he goes to the practice squad and gets snatched up by Cleveland where he will end up a used car salesman. This is why I get so pissed off when you people keep talking about putting him on the practice squad.
Wow, I've never seen such a baseless, illusory prediction in all my time. No way are we merging with Russia.
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Wow, I've never seen such a baseless, illusory prediction in all my time. No way are we merging with Russia.
I agree. We will most likely merge with China, unless Obama gets a 3rd term. In that case, we will be merging with Islam. Whatever that means. It can't be good and I don't think there's been a suicide bomber proof suit built yet. Just say your Hail Obama's, watch Duck Dynasty and try your best to refrain from saying "using the whole fist, Doc? Swiiing looow, sweet chariooot". How many get that movie reference?
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I agree. We will most likely merge with China, unless Obama gets a 3rd term. In that case, we will be merging with Islam. Whatever that means. It can't be good and I don't think there's been a suicide bomber proof suit built yet. Just say your Hail Obama's, watch Duck Dynasty and try your best to refrain from saying "using the whole fist, Doc? Swiiing looow, sweet chariooot". How many get that movie reference?
we owe so much $$$ to china it wouldnt take much. Hell the government couldnt afford a real chinese fortune cookie at this point
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we owe so much $$$ to china it wouldnt take much. Hell the government couldnt afford a real chinese fortune cookie at this point
But you didn't recognize the movie reference. You fail, little one. LOL
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But you didn't recognize the movie reference. You fail, little one. LOL
wouldnt be the first time i failed nor the last. And i am a huge movie buff, watch every damn movie that comes out. Maybe mom was right, and the drugs from years ago have affected me
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wouldnt be the first time i failed nor the last. And i am a huge movie buff, watch every damn movie that comes out. Maybe mom was right, and the drugs from years ago have affected me
Dude!!!! Think mid 80's. Great movie. IMHO.
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Dude!!!! Think mid 80's. Great movie. IMHO.
i was just learning to walk by that time haha, still crapping my pampers

but once u tell me the name i might watch it.
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I agree. We will most likely merge with China, unless Obama gets a 3rd term. In that case, we will be merging with Islam. Whatever that means. It can't be good and I don't think there's been a suicide bomber proof suit built yet. Just say your Hail Obama's, watch Duck Dynasty and try your best to refrain from saying "using the whole fist, Doc? Swiiing looow, sweet chariooot". How many get that movie reference?
You ever serve time, Doc?
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