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Old 08-14-2013   #301
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Your thoughts on how they did vs Minnesota?
I didn't like how TJ was missing high early. He does that sometimes, and he was lucky not to be intercepted.

They both had plus/minus moments. And clearly, Kubiak is trying to sort out small sample sizes and how much is opponent competition issues.

As it is, it will be an odd test for both. The offensive line is going to have some challenges with Wade Smith out, and working Ben Jones and Quesenberry at LG. Both of those guys have been moving around some, and it is hard on them because the footwork is a bit different.
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I didn't like how TJ was missing high early. He does that sometimes, and he was lucky not to be intercepted.

They both had plus/minus moments. And clearly, Kubiak is trying to sort out small sample sizes and how much is opponent competition issues.

As it is, it will be an odd test for both. The offensive line is going to have some challenges with Wade Smith out, and working Ben Jones and Quesenberry at LG. Both of those guys have been moving around some, and it is hard on them because the footwork is a bit different.
Yeah, from what I hear it seems TJ is missing high a lot in practice as well. As you said, he did get on track after that horrible start.

I thought Keenum did about as well as one could have asked, even against 3rd stringers. But at this point, of course, he's still got work to do.
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I didn't like how TJ was missing high early. He does that sometimes, and he was lucky not to be intercepted.

They both had plus/minus moments. And clearly, Kubiak is trying to sort out small sample sizes and how much is opponent competition issues.

As it is, it will be an odd test for both. The offensive line is going to have some challenges with Wade Smith out, and working Ben Jones and Quesenberry at LG. Both of those guys have been moving around some, and it is hard on them because the footwork is a bit different.
What about Case?
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FWIW, this is how I see things.

1. When Schaub was out because of death in the family, TJ/Case looked ungood.

2. Today they looked particularly ungood. Like this sort of stuff.

TJ was ugh yesterday, Case was ugh today. Actually it was an ugh day for the entire offense.

3. Kubiak wants to make it a real competition. By flipping Case and TJ in their reps but giving them similar amounts of reps. But he really wants folks to know not to read too much into it.

So there you go. I am not buying the hype on anyone.

All 3 QBs look better than last year. Which is the bigger story.

None of the backups
so you think case will go back to the practice squad as indicated to your blog?
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I didn't like how TJ was missing high early. He does that sometimes, and he was lucky not to be intercepted.

They both had plus/minus moments. And clearly, Kubiak is trying to sort out small sample sizes and how much is opponent competition issues.
it terms of the first pre-season game per se, you can't deny that there were a lot more plus moments for case.

interesting how balls were getting batted from TJ while the shorter Case, never had that problem.
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so you think case will go back to the practice squad as indicated to your blog?
IMO you put Case on the PS any longer. Some team like the Bucs, Browns or dare I mention NE would snag him as a project?
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IMO you put Case on the PS any longer. Some team like the Bucs, Browns or dare I mention NE would snag him as a project?
Why? What did he show in the Minnesota game that is going to make some team put him on their 53-man roster?
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IMO you put Case on the PS any longer. Some team like the Bucs, Browns or dare I mention NE would snag him as a project?
Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?
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Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?
It happened before.
At least one team did pick up a QB another team tried to stash on the PS.

I noted it in one of the threads somewhere.

It can happen and it did happen.
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Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?
That logic applies to every player who was every taken off a practice squad.
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Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?
Let me say first: I have been open in my "not impressed" opinion of Case. He has shown enough so far that some team would do it especially as the season progresses and the teams that have injuries at QB or whose QBs are not very good would take the chance.

I mention NE because Mallet has been terrible this whole TC and the other option is Tebow (snicker). After their scare yesterday it would be the typical "Im the smartest man in the league!" move by Belicheck.

What would teams like the Jags, Browns, Jets, Rams, Raiders have to lose?
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Let me say first: I have been open in my "not impressed" opinion of Case. He has shown enough so far that some team would do it especially as the season progresses and the teams that have injuries at QB or whose QBs are not very good would take the chance.

I mention NE because Mallet has been terrible this whole TC and the other option is Tebow (snicker). After their scare yesterday it would be the typical "Im the smartest man in the league!" move by Belicheck.

What would teams like the Jags, Browns, Jets, Rams, Raiders have to lose?
I agree that Case would be picked up if he was placed in the PS. And also remember you saying that Case has no chance in playing in the nfl too.
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I agree that Case would be picked up if he was placed in the PS. And also remember you saying that Case has no chance in playing in the nfl too.
He will never be a starter but someone would take the chance. League is always looking for QB's. Look at Jamrcus Russel.
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Anyone who takes Case off the practice squad would have to be willing to put him on their 53 man roster. If he's been with us through 2012, 2013 OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, & played in our pre season games & we don't think he's earned a roster spot, why would any other team give him one?
Easy answer.. because there is absolutely horrible QB play in this league, just for starters.. teams like OAK, Jax, and NY would look to add to their QB position. Just because one team would place a player on "their PS" doesn't mean another team wouldn't add the same player to their 53 man roster.. all 32 teams don't have the same level of talent.
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He will never be a starter but someone would take the chance. League is always looking for QB's. Look at Jamrcus Russel.
I think it's best to say and attainable that most on here would want Case to be a good solid NFL backup for the Texans regardless if people want to speculate if he'll ever start.

At this point, it's very early.
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That logic applies to every player who was every taken off a practice squad.
DX-Tex said as a project...

If someone thought Case can help them, like someone who would take an OLman or a DLman, or a LB, RB, or CB sure. But as a QB project, I doubt it.
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I'm not sure if Case would be picked up or not. I don't know what this means in the grand scheme if things, but I have no doubt in my mind that if it was possible to get Yates on practice squad (I know it's not possible, I said IF) he wouldn't even clear waivers.

I'm not sure about Case. I honestly just don't know. I could see him going unclaimed and I could see some team picking him up to take a flyer...
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DX-Tex said as a project...

If someone thought Case can help them, like someone who would take an OLman or a DLman, or a LB, RB, or CB sure. But as a QB project, I doubt it.
Remember how bad we were a few years ago? Remember we took that project QB from the cardinals practice squad?

Everybody isn't as deep as we are. So while it might be tough for us to decide on whether to carry 2 FB's, or who the 5th WR should be and whether or not we can stash guys in IR, some other teams don't have those issues. They aren't going to have issues cutting down their roster and will be constantly moving and shuffling fringe guys all year. Teams like that aren't going to stress about cutting guys that only made their team because they couldn't find anyone better.

Some team could cut a fourth string RB or a 5th string LB or 5th safety, pick case up and then get their own scrub back on practice squad. Or just let him be a free agent and give him a call if they need him. Kind of like we did with Casey Studdard.
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so you think case will go back to the practice squad as indicated to your blog?
He is able to. TJ isn't.

Depends on injuries on other parts of the team, who they need to carry on 53 man roster. Some teams go with 2 QBs, some with 3. Rick Smith talked about it the other day, the studies they've done on 2 versus 3 QBs, and injury. Texans carried Beck for a while until that became a luxury they couldn't afford due to injuries to other parts of the roster.

Case is perfect for practice squad. If I'm a GM of some other team, I don't want to active roster some short guy without plus factor athleticism who doesn't know my system and hasn't been in my camp. Even Tebow has higher value in showing read option looks for practice/ playing special teams/ short yardage runs.

He might be worth swiping by an opposing team if you were doing it for the purposes of pumping him for information and then letting him go afterwards. But a team needs to have roster space for that.

His highest benefit to the Texans right now is that he knows the system. But if he got swiped off the psquad, there's any number of slappies the Texans could get to learn up the offense like they did in 2011. Not ideal, but neither is carrying another clipboard holder on the active roster. There's tradeoffs with any decision.

I like Case Keenum's story and like him personally but there's nothing in camp that makes me think he's The Future of the Texans or so much better than any number of randoms who could run this offense.

For him to have the best chance, he is going to have to kill in the 2nd and 4th preseason games. Just crush them. Show something that hasn't been seen in camp. Because despite glowing reports by some, he's not a transcendent QB in practice. Does some nice things, does some bonehead things, is much better than last year.
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Some team could cut a fourth string RB or a 5th string LB or 5th safety, pick case up and then get their own scrub back on practice squad. Or just let him be a free agent and give him a call if they need him. Kind of like we did with Casey Studdard.
Actually, Case Keenum reminds me of a Casey Studdard sort of guy. Texas guy with plus character and football want to, but less than ideal NFL measurables which make him a questionable pick up for other teams. QB's get swiped if teams think they are promising guys to develop.

Last year, I predicted p-squad for Keenum, and some media folks believed that he would just be released. He was terrible last year.

This year he is better. But not OMG we have to keep him on the regular roster or we are doomed better.
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