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View Poll Results: Who should start if Matt decided not to play another down?
Tj Yates 9 9.38%
Case Keenum 48 50.00%
Schaub can't do that 10 10.42%
May the best man win 29 30.21%
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you can't just call keenum a fluke just because he shattered records on a C-USA team and his size and didn't get drafted. nobody can at this point because he hasn't played an nfl game.
And you can't say he's a great NFL QB, because he hasn't played an NFL game.

I'm not anti-Case, but damn the guy gets a lot of love here.
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And you can't say he's a great NFL QB, because he hasn't played an NFL game.

I'm not anti-Case, but damn the guy gets a lot of love here.
who said he was an nfl great qb? not me. matter of fact, I don't mind at all if he's 3rd. It took Schaub 3 years to start.
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And you can't say he's a great NFL QB, because he hasn't played an NFL game.

I'm not anti-Case, but damn the guy gets a lot of love here.
I know, right!

Which is fine to a certain extent. The one's saying he's actually competing against Schaub and might/will be his eventual replacement take it to a different level.

But hey, at least we aren't having a QB situation like the Jets. lol
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TPN, look at teams like the Panthers and the Skins.

They adapted their offense to Newton and RG III.

Remember the knock about Newton; how he never play under center in college (but I counted at least 17 plays that he was under center.)

Case played under center more than that in his Freshman year, but the Cougars eventually went away from that; they still use Keenum under center occasionally in his last two years, similar to how Newton was used or RG III was used.

If Kubiak had decided to mimic Shannahan, Keenum would be the guy who is most comfortable in that system, more so than Schaub or Yates.
Look at what I originally said.

Most of those guys IN THE PAST who came into the NFL failed. Most of them failed because they needed to have the offense tailored to what it was they could do. MOST OCs aren't going to do that.

In the past couple of years, we've had a few instances of coaches changing their offenses to accommodate some of these system QBs: RGIII, Cam, Tebow. But most OCs are not going to do that OR if they do, they're going to try to revert back to the offense they want as soon as they get that QB up to speed.

We have yet to see any of those system guys hae a long and successful career in the NFL. There's no way I expect Kubiak to shift to that sort of system. He doesn't need to. For CASE to be successful, he has to become the perfect system QB for KUBIAK's system.

I think it's possible that he does but it's too early to say that he has. Let's let him play a few more games.
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Look at what I originally said.

Most of those guys IN THE PAST who came into the NFL failed. Most of them failed because they needed to have the offense tailored to what it was they could do. MOST OCs aren't going to do that.

In the past couple of years, we've had a few instances of coaches changing their offenses to accommodate some of these system QBs: RGIII, Cam, Tebow. But most OCs are not going to do that OR if they do, they're going to try to revert back to the offense they want as soon as they get that QB up to speed.

We have yet to see any of those system guys hae a long and successful career in the NFL. There's no way I expect Kubiak to shift to that sort of system. He doesn't need to. For CASE to be successful, he has to become the perfect system QB for KUBIAK's system.

I think it's possible that he does but it's too early to say that he has. Let's let him play a few more games.
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I know, right!

Which is fine to a certain extent. The one's saying he's actually competing against Schaub and might/will be his eventual replacement take it to a different level.

But hey, at least we aren't having a QB situation like the Jets. lol
Schaub's the man period, regardless of what anyone thinks.

Keenum brings some fun because he's had success and is the young hard working guy. It's all good for the team.
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you can't just call keenum a fluke just because he shattered records on a C-USA team and his size and didn't get drafted. nobody can at this point because he hasn't played an nfl game. a fluke would be a jamarcus russel, tim couch, or troy smith. Keenum hasn't gotten to that point where he's had any chance to prove anything
You're the one who said that the fact that he set such records MEANT something. It doesn't. It doesn't mean he can make it in the NFL.

A lot of QBs have put up great numbers in college in failed.

To be a fluke, Case has to prove that he's not one of those guys. He has to prove that he's not Colt Brennan.

I'm not one of the guys saying that Case can't do that. But he hasn't done it, yet. Until he does it, I'll be rooting for him but I'm not expecting him to be a great QB because of those collegiate performances.
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You're the one who said that the fact that he set such records MEANT something. It doesn't. It doesn't mean he can make it in the NFL.

A lot of QBs have put up great numbers in college in failed.

To be a fluke, Case has to prove that he's not one of those guys. He has to prove that he's not Colt Brennan.

I'm not one of the guys saying that Case can't do that. But he hasn't done it, yet. Until he does it, I'll be rooting for him but I'm not expecting him to be a great QB because of those collegiate performances.
yeah it means something. doesn't mean it will transfer to the nfl. but to call him a fluke (like what some people say) at this point isn't fair.
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Keenum was:

2-1 against B12
1-0 against SEC
1-0 against B10
1-1 against P12

Winning or split records in each case.

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So Keenum played 3 games against the Big 12, 1 against the SEC, 1 against the Big 10 and two against the Pac 12 in his five years with UH? I'll stick with what I said:

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Jamarcus and VY would have been competing in the
superbowl last year -- Not Flacco (Div I-AA) or
Kapernic (Mtn. West)
I wasn't arguing that those Conferences had the finest QB play, but they are the highest level of collegiate football.
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who said he was an nfl great qb? not me. matter of fact, I don't mind at all if he's 3rd. It took Schaub 3 years to start.
Some people on here are already anointing him Schaub's replacement.
It wasn't directly in response to you, more just playing off your post.

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I know, right!

Which is fine to a certain extent. The one's saying he's actually competing against Schaub and might/will be his eventual replacement take it to a different level.

But hey, at least we aren't having a QB situation like the Jets. lol
100% agree. At least people here are getting worked up over the backup spot and we're not looking for a solid starting QB.
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The biggest plus that I see with Keenum is _exactly_ the largest
weakness I see with Schaub and Yates.

Keenum chose the largest stages to perform at the highest level.
He was amazing in games against ranked teams (in college) when
UH was a heavy underdog.

I can think of at least 3 games in particular where UH was a
double-digit dog and he threw excellent percentages and had
very few turnovers. .. Many times on the road no less..
(You can probably find his game against #5 Ok. St. in
Stillwater on youtube)
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I think that is the only game Keenum lost in Houston as the starter.
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Watch the game and you can judge if he was the primary
reason for the loss (punt block return for TD, etc.)

Also, I'm guessing Kubiak isn't going to tell his team that he's
leaving to coach another team during the half-time of the
AFC championship game...

Case did follow that up by beating Penn St. (a higher ranked and
regarded team than So Miss) two weeks later in the bowl game
while having a completely different head coach install a game plan..

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Watch the game and you can judge if he was the primary
reason for the loss (punt block return for TD, etc.)

Also, I'm guessing Kubiak isn't going to tell his team that he's
leaving to coach another team during the half-time of the
AFC championship game...

Case did follow that up by beating Penn St. (a higher ranked and
regarded team than So Miss) two weeks later in the bowl game
while having a completely different head coach install a game plan..

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Penn State was certainly not dealing with it's own "issues" at the time.

Look I like Keenum, but to say that he does great in all of the big games is a tad bit erroneous.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293390151
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You truly can't win them all, but this loss wasn't on him..
(or even mostly on him).

Clutch receivers dropped passes early, special teams failures,
Sumlin's coaching escapades, all served to contribute.

The only "big game" that I can point to that was all on
Keenum was the second Armed Forces bowl in 2009.

But in terms of "Clutchness" between Yates, Schaub and Keenum
-- it's not even close when "the big game" is what you're
looking at..

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Penn State was certainly not dealing with it's own "issues" at the time.

Look I like Keenum, but to say that he does great in all of the big games is a tad bit erroneous.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293390151
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Some people on here are already anointing him Schaub's replacement.
It wasn't directly in response to you, more just playing off your post.
yeah, def case and tj have a long way to go to be starters. but there's a chance that schaub goes down and we have 2 capable qb's to take over.
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I don't know if it means anything that I voted "may the best man win".

The cream will rise to the top.
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I don't know if it means anything that I voted "may the best man win".

The cream will rise to the top.
That's my theory too. I have no loyalty other than what's best for the franchise. Don't want to go through the HWSNBN years again.
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Some people on here are already anointing him Schaub's replacement...
Not just on here.

John McClain has been saying for weeks that Kubaik is grooming Keenum as Schaub's replacement. I don't think he's getting that from the short order cook at The Waffle House.
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Not just on here.

John McClain has been saying for weeks that Kubaik is grooming Keenum as Schaub's replacement. I don't think he's getting that from the short order cook at The Waffle House.
Given that the short order cook is John's best contact to the Texans at this point, yeah he probably is getting it from him.
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