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Old 08-14-2013   #681
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That's interesting. I'd consider cutting Martin. At least jean has shown big play ability. Martin is a slot player that struggle to catch the ball in traffic. And I have not really seen him abuse coverage or anything offensively really. I suppose it's there somewhere, but I haven't seen it.

Cut time is really going to be interesting. Do the coaches have the stones to cut a recent draft pick in order to keepan udfa that has outplayed them? Also, do they gamble cutting a guy that is better now with hopes that the guy they're keeping has the higher potential?
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Same blocking looked pretty good for D manning when he was in.
No it wasn't. I remember specifically they had some starters in on the ST's units that were not there in the regular season. This was pointed out at least in the Patriots game that I know of (I didn't watch the Bengals game broadcast until later since I was at the game).
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Manning is an elite return man. I never said Martin was Manning. Simply said he brings value which he does. The blocking for much of the year was bad. There is a reason we hired an Assistant Special Teams coach. There's a problem there everyone recognizes.
U said the blocking was bad, nothing about how elite either guy was or was not.
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I'm hearing Tom Brady left practise with a knee injury and then returned. Will try to validate.


Edit: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...nt-knee-injury
"Greg Bedard of TheMMQB.com watched Brady grab his left knee, limp off, before briefly returning to the field. Brady reportedly did not look comfortable and then had the knee checked out by trainers"
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I'm hearing Tom Brady left practise with a knee injury and then returned. Will try to validate.
Greg Bedard on twitter said that.
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U said the blocking was bad, nothing about how elite either guy was or was not.
The blocking on special teams was terrible last year. You brought up Manning and I said Martin's not the returner Manning is. You can still have good returns with a returner of Martin's caliber though with good blocking. We sucked in that area most of the year. No one in the organization can argue against that.
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The guy I want to see is Lemon.

I think I saw him catch one pass the other night. Just his body language on that catch has me intrigued. He looked like a top caliber athlete. Very smooth footwork, effortless catch...I'm going to have to look some info up on him...
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The blocking on special teams was terrible last year. You brought up Manning and I said Martin's not the returner Manning is. You can still have good returns with a returner of Martin's caliber though with good blocking. We sucked in that area most of the year. No one in the organization can argue against that.
With posey just coming back from major surgery i imagine they go with 6 WRs and i believe on of the 6 will be jean.
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With posey just coming back from major surgery i imagine they go with 6 WRs and i believe on of the 6 will be jean.
That's tough to say right now I think. You have some injury question marks with Smith and Reed. Do you carry an extra man at those positions is those guys aren't ready to go week 1? I can't say what I think they'll do at this point because there are too many question marks.
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I'm hearing Tom Brady left practise with a knee injury and then returned. Will try to validate.


Edit: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...nt-knee-injury
"Greg Bedard of TheMMQB.com watched Brady grab his left knee, limp off, before briefly returning to the field. Brady reportedly did not look comfortable and then had the knee checked out by trainers"
http://telly.com/13APF8V <--- video of said injury

EDIT: Nate Solder gets backed into Brady and once he goes down it looks like he grabs his lower leg almost immediately
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The only threat to Martin's roster spot would be Bonner (of those currently on the team). I can't imagine dumping a return man and slot WR to have a 5th X or Y receiver with limited speed, agility, and special team's skills.
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Martin being cut isn't going to happen. That's just silly talk imo. He's had a good camp - granted his game wasn't good the other day but unless he just completely tanks in all 4 games, I think I have a better chance of replacing Martin than Jean does. And I might add, while both play WR they do not play the same spot nor have the same duties/assignments.

Who is the Slot if Martin goes? Jean? Hardly? Posey? Maybe I could buy it but Martin physically is ideally suited. He just needs to do it consistently. That's not too mention his return ability. Sometimes young WR's need a couple of years to grow. It's way, WAY too early to give up on Martin.

I put this under the heading of fantasy land. Carry on.
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This offense has never had to rely on a "slot WR", because we don't pigeon hole our receivers as X and Y or even pigeon hole them to the slot.. We move our receivers around all over the field and we use our TEs mostly in the middle. Think about who we had before Martin (who didn't play that great last year and who looks scared to catch passes in traffic).. where's all these slot receivers our offense relied on?

I also don't care about camp, It was reported he was having a good camp last year as well and then the lights came on and real bullets started flying.. sorry, but so far he has been J.A.G
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I'm hearing Tom Brady left practise with a knee injury and then returned. Will try to validate.
In a related story, Roger Goodell was seen in NFL headquarters going....

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I think they like Martin more than Jean. I think he's higher up on the depth chart.

If anything, I think it's Bonner that's got to be careful or he'll end up on the PS. For me, I see the list as:

1. AJ
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3. Posey -- Depending on his conditioning.
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Bonner still hurt. I don't know.

Jean still up and down.

Lemon had a rough day today.

Interestingly, Cruse had probably his best day today.
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This offense has never had to rely on a "slot WR", because we don't pigeon hole our receivers as X and Y or even pigeon hole them to the slot.. We move our receivers around all over the field and we use our TEs mostly in the middle. Think about who we had before Martin (who didn't play that great last year and who looks scared to catch passes in traffic).. where's all these slot receivers our offense relied on?

I also don't care about camp, It was reported he was having a good camp last year as well and then the lights came on and real bullets started flying.. sorry, but so far he has been J.A.G
The team has searched for one and struggled offensively at times because it was lacking. We thought the position important enough to keep (and utilize) David Anderson for 2-3 years.
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The team has searched for one and struggled offensively at times because it was lacking. We thought the position important enough to keep (and utilize) David Anderson for 2-3 years.
I think what he means as we have never even attempted to use slot WRs like the patriots our even ravens do. Our offense is more about WR spreading the field at deep to medium range with the TEs doing most of the middle field stuff. I mean look they moved woodhead to slot in NE last year and watch him against us, that is how you use a slot WR. Us ummm not so much.
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That's interesting. I'd consider cutting Martin. At least jean has shown big play ability. Martin is a slot player that struggle to catch the ball in traffic. And I have not really seen him abuse coverage or anything offensively really. I suppose it's there somewhere, but I haven't seen it.

Cut time is really going to be interesting. Do the coaches have the stones to cut a recent draft pick in order to keepan udfa that has outplayed them? Also, do they gamble cutting a guy that is better now with hopes that the guy they're keeping has the higher potential?
Martin has had a very good camp.

Like much better than anyone not named Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins.

You didn't see it in the last preseason game, but he's had a very good camp. Need to make that translate into game situations.

Also, something that makes it hard to evaluate WRs, is that for many teams, the drop off between their 1 & 2 CBs and their other CBs is fairly steep. So some of the highlight reel stuff you were hearing from camp wasn't against the best CBs.

Hopkins has had to work really hard in camp. He gets some great catches, but has to work because it is either JJo or KJ for many reps.
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The team has searched for one and struggled offensively at times because it was lacking. We thought the position important enough to keep (and utilize) David Anderson for 2-3 years.
You could just as easily make the case that slot receiver was deemed unimportant enough that they would keep a fringe player like Anderson to play it, rather than spend decent $$ or picks to fill the spot.
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