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Old 08-13-2013   #21
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Default Re: Was Deandre Hopkins' TD reception an incomplete pass?

One of the confusing things about the rules is that they tweak the rules occasionally. What would have been a catch one year, might not have been a catch another.

According to the rules TK posted:

1. He had a firm grip of the ball inbounds -- I think that "two feet and a football move" stuff was removed.
2. He crossed the goal line with the ball in possession and then he was down by contact so the play was over as soon as he crossed the goal line AND hit the ground.

At least, that's the way I'm reading it.

Since all TDs are reviewed, that means that the officials looked at the catch and it looked like a TD to them.
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He didn't make a football move. He caught the ball, took two stumbling steps and fell.

And you misunderstood my example. I'm talking about catching the ball in the air like Hopkins did but not getting a foot down. Crossing the GL in the air.

Because he was going to the ground he needed to keep possession. Goal line or no goal line. Doesn't matter where you are, you have to complete the catch.
You can disagree but goal line makes all the difference in this case.
Catch + breaking plane = TD

Think of all the time a guy dives in and is leading w the ball and it gets punched out. If its for a 1st down or any non-scoring play, it's a fumble.
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He didn't make a football move. He caught the ball, took two stumbling steps and fell.

And you misunderstood my example. I'm talking about catching the ball in the air like Hopkins did but not getting a foot down. Crossing the GL in the air.

Because he was going to the ground he needed to keep possession. Goal line or no goal line. Doesn't matter where you are, you have to complete the catch.
I see you've only been a member since 2010. Two stumbling steps and falling on your face was a textbook "Texan" football move for 8 years by then. More of a fukball move than a football move.

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I was sure that they were going to call PI. But they didn't. As one of the announcers mentioned, it appeared that Deandre's back blocked the ref from "appreciating" his hand on the defender. Deandre got away with one.
If that's the case, VET MOVE!!!!! Rock on DH!!!
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You can disagree but goal line makes all the difference in this case.
Catch + breaking plane = TD

Think of all the time a guy dives in and is leading w the ball and it gets punched out. If its for a 1st down or any non-scoring play, it's a fumble.

When a guy dives with the ball in his hand he already has completed the catch or has already clearly established possession. Neither was the case on Hopkins catch.

Your argument is basically saying Hopkins could have dropped the ball before even going to the ground and it'd have been a TD. That's blatantly wrong.

You have to complete the catch. Period. Doesn't matter where you are on the field. Now you can disagree with that all you want but you'd be wrong. That's why the ref ran to make sure he had possession when he hit the ground.

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I see you've only been a member since 2010. Two stumbling steps and falling on your face was a textbook "Texan" football move for 8 years by then. More of a fukball move than a football move.

LOL...

But actually I've been around since '04. Couple different names since then.
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You are wrong.

When a guy dives with the ball in his hand he already has completed the catch or has already clearly established possession. Neither was the case on Hopkins catch.

Your argument is basically saying Hopkins could have dropped the ball before even going to the ground and it'd have been a TD. That's blatantly wrong.

You have to complete the catch. Period. Doesn't matter where you are on the field. Now you can disagree with that all you want but you'd be wrong. That's why the ref ran to make sure he had possession when he hit the ground.
We will have to agree to disagree. Catch was made, he became a runner, ball crossed plane, TD. The ref and replay booth all agree.
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We will have to agree to disagree. Catch was made, he became a runner, ball crossed plane, TD. The ref and replay booth all agree.
The ref and replay booth agree that it was a touchdown. Which I have said it was...the reason it was a TD was because he maintained possession through his fall.

Why you'd throw that in there like that proves your point is beyond me.
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The ref and replay booth agree that it was a touchdown. Which I have said it was...the reason it was a TD was because he maintained possession through his fall.

Why you'd throw that in there like that proves your point is beyond me.
As was this entire conversation; beyond you.
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