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Old 08-11-2013   #21
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I think this whole concept is rather silly. People forget that the best athletes in the world are running with the ball. They are at those offensive positions for "a reason." That reason is because they are extremely elusive and strong amongst other attributes. It ain't easy tackling any top flight offensive skill player. These guys know how to tackle just fine. If it was so easy we wouldn't see hardly any scoring from any teams all these years. I don't think that doing less tackling drills is causing any of this. I think that people are just looking for reasons to point the finger at for missed tackles. You can do all of the tackling drills in the world, but it's not going to make it a hell of a lot easier to tackle a guy like AP in the open field or Jamal Charles if you take a bad angle at the guy running across the field, or have a healthy Andre Johnson running at you when you don't have great timing to get your body ready to explode at him when he gets close. Guys know how to tackle just fine in the NFL. They're having to tackle the best guys in the world. It aint easy.
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DJ looked like Keo bouncing off that FB instead of a future starting S. If I remember correctly Keo bounced right off guys his first game also. I think some of these "big hitters" in College find out that they better use more technique at the pay for play level since the Pros are a little bigger and stronger than College boy. I think we see sloppy tackling just about every year right off the bat. It takes a game or two for everybody to adjust to the contact every year, especially the rookies. It's hard and a little bit unnatural giving up your bodies welfare and throwing your body at someone. It's all a part of getting in "football shape".
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I'm afraid that the tackling in preseason does impact the number and severity of injuries and I'm kinda freaked about all the injuries this year.

I'm going to have to vote leave it alone and fix the tackling as we get to and into the regular season. Tackling is a something you can control/fix short term.....you're kind of stuck with the injury. Injuries aren't someting "we'll work on fixing that on Wednesday"
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Swearinger missed that tackle on Line, but he had an ok game otherwise. He had some other good tackles as well. Pleasant couldn't get him down either, but he had a nice game otherwise as well.

I'm not worried about that. Yeah, I'd like to see then get the guy down, but I think we'll be fine. Everyone that's ever played defense has missed some tackles. It happens. You just don't want it to become a habit.
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Swearinger missed that tackle on Line, but he had an ok game otherwise. He had some other good tackles as well. Pleasant couldn't get him down either, but he had a nice game otherwise as well.

I'm not worried about that. Yeah, I'd like to see then get the guy down, but I think we'll be fine. Everyone that's ever played defense has missed some tackles. It happens. You just don't want it to become a habit.
DJ agrees as well. In his post game interview he said he made a mistake by trying to "blow him up" instead of going low and taking his legs out, that he's learned his lesson and it wouldn't happen again. I really hope that's the case. I wonder how difficult it is to 'unlearn' a playing style though as the hard hit vs. wrapping up has been his MO seemingly forever.

If he's really learned his lesson I think he'll only improve. I can't wait to see that!
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DJ agrees as well. In his post game interview he said he made a mistake by trying to "blow him up" instead of going low and taking his legs out, that he's learned his lesson and it wouldn't happen again. I really hope that's the case. I wonder how difficult it is to 'unlearn' a playing style though as the hard hit vs. wrapping up has been his MO seemingly forever.

If he's really learned his lesson I think he'll only improve. I can't wait to see that!
I hope DJ learned a lesson, but you CAN make a good tackle and blow they guy up at the same time. I hope THAT is the lesson DJ learns.

I've seen way too many examples of DB's diving at the feet of receivers and whiffing. Just wrap up instead of lowering the shoulder. Not difficult.
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I wonder how many people have actually seen him play and not just watched highlights or heard people talk about him. Yes he has some big hits, but he's a solid tackler. On the play where he missed the tackle, he tried to deliver a blow and wrap up. Look at it again...he brought his arms, he just missed.

As far as db's not wrapping up a lot of times, it's because they are usually smaller than the guys they are tackling. Not many db's are meeting a rb in the open and tackling how a LB would. Some guys just can't physically wrap other guys up and make tackles so they try to go through their legs and take them out that way.

Then you have some guys that can wrap up but they want to deliver a massive blow and they'll hit a guy up top without wrapping up.
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Tackling was always rough once you got to make full speed contact, it's all about the angles and small adjustments. It takes a bit to get back used to the speed of the game.. it's the first pre-season game relax.

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Steve McKinney was on 13's extra points show and said that even when he was playing all the way back with the Colts they didn't do much tackling at training camp.

So, it's not really a new thing.
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Steve McKinney was on 13's extra points show and said that even when he was playing all the way back with the Colts they didn't do much tackling at training camp.

So, it's not really a new thing.
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