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View Poll Results: Who should start if Matt decided not to play another down?
Tj Yates 9 9.38%
Case Keenum 48 50.00%
Schaub can't do that 10 10.42%
May the best man win 29 30.21%
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It should have stayed in the existing Keenum thread. I would have merged it, but I don't know what would have happened to the poll.

There won't be another poll after each preseason game. This is THE poll. Two threads about the backup QB is enough.
Clinton were obsessed with Polls, and I think Obama has been as well.
Polls or surveys change all the time.
They reflect the changing mood of people at different points in time.
Can we have poll for each week, but then merge them eventually?

It won't change for me until it's really clear cut as I just want the best man to win and that was what I vote, but if I were to give them scores, I would have to say that Keenum won this last game.
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I genuinely don't give a rats ass who the QB. Let the better QB win.

FTR - Case had it in college. There's no proof he has it in the pros. Actually 32 franchises decided he didn't have it when he went undrafted. Minor point.
Most dislike his height and the fact that played in a spread offense. Great spread offense QB's usually don't fare too well at the NFL level.
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Can we have poll for each week, but then merge them eventually?
Can't merge polls. We don't have a poll meister like Clinton did in Dick Morris. Why don't we just state our opinions in the thread instead?
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Can't merge polls. We don't have a poll meister like Clinton did in Dick Morris. Why don't we just state our opinions in the thread instead?
When you merge the two or three threads, the old polls would disappear, is that correct, or they all disappear or what?

TK can make a not of the old polls, let's say on the day before the next game and put that result in the new thread.

However we do it, I think it's interesting to see the change from week to week.
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However we do it, I think it's interesting to see the change from week to week.
If it's a true competition, our minds should change from week to week.

This poll, this thread will probably die after Wednesday. It'll be on page two by Sunday, or Saturday night when the next poll would be made.

But hey.... you now I don't want to rock the boat.
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Wow!!! You are bad at math!!!!
Well there were 254 picks in the draft...so he was only off by 999,746.
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FTR - Case had it in college. There's no proof he has it in the pros. Actually 32 franchises decided he didn't have it when he went undrafted. Minor point.
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Man the case love is worse than VY sausage suckage. he looked ok against third string guys who wont have a job in a month.
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Man the case love is worse than VY sausage suckage. he looked ok against third string guys who wont have a job in a month.
....playing with guys who won't have a job in a month.

I voted let the best man win. The stats were close with TJ getting 20-30 more yards and a tiny deficit in completion percentage.....but 17-0 is significant. The reason qb's get so much grief is because what they do has such an impact on everyone else. It appears that the team played faster and looser after TJ left. This is just one game, it might change in the next one but there was nothing wrong with Ck performance. I think TJ was sluggish/inefficient and that concerns me, he shouldn't be at this point
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Schaub can't do that!

This was my vote too.

If Schaub's wife wants to move to Hawaii then let her. Schaub has enough cash to buy her a sweet condo and let her move out there and lounge on the beach all she wants.

Schaub has work to do here.
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I haven't digged into the fourth quarter yet, but in the third quarter, Keenum actually was operating in a more adverse situation that Yates did.

The composite group that Yates had on the field with him was clearly superior to the group that Keenum had.

The defense that Keenum faced was about the same, or just a hair below the defense that Yates saw.

Several Vikings defensive players remained in the game (6 of them).
3 new guys came in were at least the equivalent of the 3 they replaced.
Only two guys were lesser than the guys they replaced, but one of them is a 322lb NT, Anthony McCloud, who had 8 TFLs and 4 sacks in his best year at Florida St, and DT Everett Dawkins - a 7th round draft pick.
Dawkins was given a 5th-6th rd grade by NFL Draft Scout (they think he can eventually replace Fred Evans - a former 7th rounder, who played in the second qtr.)

The Vikings also rotated in some players in both the second and third quarter.

Overall, there was not a significant talent difference between the unit that Yates and Keenum faced; however, the offensive unit that surrounded Keenum is clearly at least half a notch below the unit that Yates had.
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Via tates injury?????
They actually drafted Tate AFTER Foster's great performance in 2009 as a rookie in Miami and vs. NE.

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Man the case love is worse than VY sausage suckage. he looked ok against third string guys who wont have a job in a month.
Put down the crack pipe and Haterade.
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I haven't digged into the fourth quarter yet, but in the third quarter, Keenum actually was operating in a more adverse situation that Yates did.

The composite group that Yates had on the field with him was clearly superior to the group that Keenum had.

The defense that Keenum faced was about the same, or just a hair below the defense that Yates saw.


Several Vikings defensive players remained in the game (6 of them).
3 new guys came in were at least the equivalent of the 3 they replaced.
Only two guys were lesser than the guys they replaced, but one of them is a 322lb NT, Anthony McCloud, who had 8 TFLs and 4 sacks in his best year at Florida St, and DT Everett Dawkins - a 7th round draft pick.
Dawkins was given a 5th-6th rd grade by NFL Draft Scout (they think he can eventually replace Fred Evans - a former 7th rounder, who played in the second qtr.)

The Vikings also rotated in some players in both the second and third quarter.

Overall, there was not a significant talent difference between the unit that Yates and Keenum faced; however, the offensive unit that surrounded Keenum is clearly at least half a notch below the unit that Yates had.
Great analysis overall. I was watching the game again and noticed the same thing that I put in bold.
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What about the thousands of UDFA that are not in the league.
Too bad Brady didn't go UDFA. Maybe the AFCCG wouldn't go through Boston so much. I'm also glad that ego, money and job security doesn't play into who gets what money. NOT
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You guys can point to the handful of UDFA that have had success and hold out hope that your guy is one of them. It happens but more likely than not it does not. Hell most drafted QBs aren't successful. It is what it is. Can't let your like like/dislike for a guy cloud your judgement. If Case can do it, cool. I won't be holding my breath and knocking the guy that has seen live fire for us. Until someone says he's 2QB, he's still PSQB to me.
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You guys can point to the handful of UDFA that have had success and hold out hope that your guy is one of them. It happens but more likely than not it does not. Hell most drafted QBs aren't successful. It is what it is. Can't let your like like/dislike for a guy cloud your judgement. If Case can do it, cool. I won't be holding my breath and knocking the guy that has seen live fire for us. Until someone says he's 2QB, he's still PSQB to me.
Good points. I only have 1 dog in this hunt: the better QB should be #2. It's my opinion that Case has gone a long way toward proving that point. I'm not a UH fan or alumni, I'm a Texans fan.

I think most of us just want a level competition between Yates and Keenum and not just anoint Yates as #2 because he's seen real game time and Keenum hasn't. I guess it boils down to

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It's too damn early for this. Case played well Wk. 1 of the pre-season against 3's. Let's see it consecutive weeks before he displaces a guy who has won "real" games for this team, including the playoffs.

Note: I'm ecstatic with Case's showing against the Vikes, I hope he keeps it up.
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