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Old 08-11-2013   #221
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just looking at last night, case looked worlds better than yates. his footwork was more crisp. his decision making more quick. his throws more solid. and he really didn't miss a throw except for our receivers dropping balls. even had back to back touchdown throws that our receivers dropped.

yates doesn't look like he has progressed since his rookie year. wasn't even very good last preseason.

but we'll have a better idea of who is more suitable for that no.2 job after the next three games.
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As a UH Alum, sorry Yates... Im pulling for Case. The dude shows an IT factor... But has yet to play on the level Yates has.

Definitely making preseason that much more bearable watching these two go at it.
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As a UH Alum, sorry Yates... Im pulling for Case. The dude shows an IT factor... But has yet to play on the level Yates has.

Definitely making preseason that much more bearable watching these two go at it.
Heck, he's only on his second season. I can't wait for next Saturday nite. I really hope Kubes lets Keenum take the 2nd team reps over Yates so we can get a better feel for his progress against better talent.
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Bottom line is that I believe that Yates' "experience" at this point in time is likely to be factor, but a very small factor. Based on the fact that this is a "What have you done for me lately" NFL, I feel that the #2 spot will in the end be determined by which of the two exemplifies himself over the other in preseason.......not by a limited and questionable set of performances (seemingly ages ago) that when examined as a total body of work have been far from impressive or truly memorable.
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...that when examined as a total body of work have been far from impressive or truly memorable.
Kid wowed the crap out of me. Not Kaepernick wow.... but those were some good games & his play was memorable.

But if I were rooting for Case, I wouldn't undersell those performances. I'd rather Case beat out a guy with impressive appearances than a guy who embarrassed the team. Being that Kubiak didn't bring anyone in to compete with Yates, even though Matt's injury suggested he may never be the same. tells us a little about what he thought of those performances & Tj.

If Tj is JAG, it doesn't say much about Keenum if he becomes our #2... if Tj is worthy to start in this league, it would say a lot if Keenum can leap-frog him... maybe he is the heir apparent.




OT: do you think most Texans fans know Case is from UH?
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i will agree that Yates started off slow, but after his 1st 2 series, he looked good. more accurate, more precise and quicker decisions. Lets see how they do the next 3 games. I still think Yates will be the guy.
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I find it so amusing that people are still trying to tout Yates as anything other then some career backup.To think that so many in here have argued that he was starter material is freaking crazy and homerish. Especially people who have bashed Schaub relentlessly.

Keenum looked damn good the other night though. I never thought much of the guy when people talked him up, but really hadn't ever watched him a lot so I kept quiet about Keenum. But as far as him and Yates are concerned it's not even close. Yates is a never was, and Keenum has definitely got some potential that I want to see more of. I'm not sure how he could play in hostile situations with top players around the league in mid season, but he definitely showed me that he can put the ball in tight holes and has a quick release where he has the versatility to do a lot. He reminded me of Romo a lot and I've always loved Romo's skill set other then his poor ability to make decisions in the clutch consistently. I want to see more of Keenum at this point. He'll definitely take over the 2nd string position at some point. And when he does, I'd like to see him make a run at Schaub's job. Definitely need to see a lot more Keenum in stiffer challenges though. But as far as intangibles, Keenum looks pretty nice. I finally got a dose of what some of the Case Keenum folks are selling, and if this kind of play continues, I'll be on that bandwagon pretty soon here.
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i will agree that Yates started off slow, but after his 1st 2 series, he looked good. more accurate, more precise and quicker decisions. Lets see how they do the next 3 games. I still think Yates will be the guy.

Yeah, I do too but I think we'll carry three and that fine. I think by the end of preseason Yates and Keenum will be statistically indistinguishable and the debate will come down entirely to the intangibles. Yates supporters will cite his greater experience and better measurables. Keenum's supporters will point to his progress and I suspect his slightly better ability to create on the run when things don't go as planned. That will be refuted by Yates more on-schedule though less glitzy in the long run style of play.

Keenum reminds me of Chase Daniels from a few years ago when we played New Orleans. I remember thinking I wish our backup QB was playing like that. The other night Keenum was.

Next year we'll be looking at a real legitimate fight between the two unless one gets to play a bunch this year. That could change everything but it's as likely (if not more likely) to mean that our season doesn't end as planned as it is that we see one "break out".

Frankly I hope Schaub plays 16 games +playoffs and that he's the guy who breaks out this year.

And no, I still don't like him all that much. He's the QB though so what are you gonna do other than support him?
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Yeah, I do too but I think we'll carry three and that fine. I think by the end of preseason Yates and Keenum will be statistically indistinguishable and the debate will come down entirely to the intangibles. Yates supporters will cite his greater experience and better measurables. Keenum's supporters will point to his progress and I suspect his slightly better ability to create on the run when things don't go as planned. That will be refuted by Yates more on-schedule though less glitzy in the long run style of play.

Keenum reminds me of Chase Daniels from a few years ago when we played New Orleans. I remember thinking I wish our backup QB was playing like that. The other night Keenum was.

Next year we'll be looking at a real legitimate fight between the two unless one gets to play a bunch this year. That could change everything but it's as likely (if not more likely) to mean that our season doesn't end as planned as it is that we see one "break out".

Frankly I hope Schaub plays 16 games +playoffs and that he's the guy who breaks out this year.

And no, I still don't like him all that much. He's the QB though so what are you gonna do other than support him?
After you and so many other bashed Schaub so badly acting like it was impossible for him to ever take this team anywhere, I'm shocked that you would hope that he stays healthy. If you have no faith or confidence in him as far as the post season goes, then I just don't understand why you'd want to see him on the field long term this season. I really have no idea what Keenum can do in tough situations against starters. I definitely know what Yates can do, and I don't want to see a Jason Campbell type of starter for this team ever. Keenum has a wild card style of play that I like I lot though even for a small sized guy.

I totally agree with the Chase Daniels comparison as well. I thought the exact same thing while watching him the other night. I also liked Chase Daniels a lot coming out of college and from what I've seen as a back up with him. I knew that Chase would never really get a good shot though due to his height and size.
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It seems that there are those here that feel that Kubiak is not really implying that Case will play in the next game behind Schaub this time.....that Kubiak is just saying that both will have lots of reps. But read his Conference quote, and you can see that Kubiak is saying more.:

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(on if there is a chance he will bring QB Case Keenum off the bench first before QB T.J. Yates in the next preseason game)“We’re going to talk about that this week. What I’m trying to do is get him and T.J. in the exact same situations as players with pretty much equal reps, so that’s something that may be a topic this week. They will continue to both play a great deal. It’s a very good battle going on and they both did a good job last night.”
No doubt we will all see what he meant in Miami.
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I don't like Schaub but I recognize that he's not going anywhere and that he's Gary's guy until he can't go. I think at this point in time that translates into "Our single best chance of reaching the Super Bowl". I mean, sure in a scenario where Schaub goes down again I'd ideally like to see one of the two guys on our roster bust out and lead the team to a title or just even take them to the game itself. One doesn't have to look hard to see what the odds are of that happening.

Usually the team starting the backup out of necessity doesn't end its season with a trip to the White House and rings for everybody. That's all I'm saying. I'll never be mistaken for a big-time Schaub supporter.
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It seems that there are those here that feel that Kubiak is not really implying that Case will play in the next game behind Schaub this time......
I have been implying that Yates will be the #2 come Sept 9, no matter what Case does. I think Kubiak needs to feel he did everything he possibly can to bring Case up to speed because Keenum may be getting an opportunity to show he deserves to start in this league.

Schaub is injury prone.

Schaub is not likely to make it through the season.

Schaub will probably miss 4 or more games this year.

Tj may not be good enough.

If Case gets that opportunity, Kubiak won't let it be an excuse for why we didn't accomplish our goal...... Super Bowl.
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I have been implying that Yates will be the #2 come Sept 9, no matter what Case does. I think Kubiak needs to feel he did everything he possibly can to bring Case up to speed because Keenum may be getting an opportunity to show he deserves to start in this league.

Schaub is injury prone.

Schaub is not likely to make it through the season.

Schaub will probably miss 4 or more games this year.

Tj may not be good enough.

If Case gets that opportunity, Kubiak won't let it be an excuse for why we didn't accomplish our goal...... Super Bowl.
Oh, I get it now. You have no clue what you're talking about. Makes perfect sense now.

Schaub is injury prone?? You don't even watch football do you? He's started 58 of 64 games the last 4 years. And those 6 he missed were because some fat guy rolled over and crushed his foot. Matt Schaub may be a lot of things and take a lot of heat here, but he is not injury prone.
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Oh, I get it now. You have no clue what you're talking about. Makes perfect sense now.
We can put it to a vote. I'd bet most fans are not confident that Schaub will play 16+ games in 2013 & most are shocked that he did in 2012.

That might not prove that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm not making sht up either.

If Schaub gets all Gimpy like he did last December, I'd want options. I want Tj ready to go & if he doesn't command the starter position, I want Keenum to take a shot.

To that end, I would say there's a QB competition for the #2 spot instead of saying, "Keenum is most likely going to be the #2 QB at sometime during the year, because gimp there can't pull it together."
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We can put it to a vote. I'd bet most fans are not confident that Schaub will play 16+ games in 2013 & most are shocked that he did in 2012.

That might not prove that I know what I'm talking about, but I'm not making sht up either.

If Schaub gets all Gimpy like he did last December, I'd want options. I want Tj ready to go & if he doesn't command the starter position, I want Keenum to take a shot.

To that end, I would say there's a QB competition for the #2 spot instead of saying, "Keenum is most likely going to be the #2 QB at sometime during the year, because gimp there can't pull it together."
Who gives a crap what fans think? It doesn't change the fact that if anyone thinks he's injury prone, they're delusional.
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Who gives a crap what fans think? It doesn't change the fact that if you think he's injury prone, you're delusional.
Right.


Other than the fact that he's injury prone.


Those big DTs roll up on people's feet all the time. Some even stomp on the guy they rolled up on as they get up.
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Right.


Other than the fact that he's injury prone.


Those big DTs roll up on people's feet all the time. Some even stomp on the guy they rolled up on as they get up.
OMG! I'm done talking with you. Your ignorance is too much.
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For the people saying Keenum has no arm strength, did you watch him play at all in college? The combine thing came out and people have been running with it, but those same people most likely never watched Keenum play at UH.

Some highlights for the unaware:

This one right here was beautiful and hit his man in stride:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaltTgbUxV0

And in stride again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qqc0z6tnE

And some 2011 highlights here:

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Other than the fact that he's injury prone.
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Its a credit to Keenum that he was played well and made it a contest.

Though its not like Yates did poorly or anything last game. Yates is still doing just well enough to keep his backup spot. Keenum had lots of shorter dump off passes where receivers had yards-after-catch. And he was playing against 3rd and 4th teamers.

Yes Yates benefited on 1 long pass play that a talented receiver made FOR him, but its still Yates job to deliver the ball there where he can make the play, and he did.

Even without the long TD, Yates woulda still been
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I DON'T want YATES to FAIL. It'd mean that the Texans are a WORSE TEAM with more question marks.

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That said, with the EYE TEST: Keenum has some "pluckiness" about him to the way he handles things. Those rollouts he did were performed very nicely with good movement and execution. Even if its shorter passes, that is as much a football play as anything.

Even with how nice the actual stats are, it could have been ever BETTER. Keenum CLEARLY DIRECTED and MOVED the offense down the field for scores. He did what he was supposed to do. Where Yates worked with a little more talent to aid him, Keenum's players probably brought HIM DOWN.

The UPSIDE favors Keenum. (Gosh, both of these guys are "old')
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