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Old 08-03-2013   #181
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Obviously if a players general physical conditioning is poor it increases his exposure to injury, and therefor the Texans have got to be very disappointed in Montgomery and may be less inclined to take another guy with his kind of issues, or atleast not invest a third round pick in such a prospect.
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The more i read about this guy the more i doubt he makes the 53 man roster......:/
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The more i read about this guy the more i doubt he makes the 53 man roster......:/
No way they cut a 3rd round pick. Would be placed on IR before being cut.
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Based on the fact that most teams had taken Montgomery off their draft boards there is a very good chance he would pass through waivers and could then be signed to the practice squad. That would give him a year to see if he can get his priorities straight.
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Based on the fact that most teams had taken Montgomery off their draft boards there is a very good chance he would pass through waivers and could then be signed to the practice squad. That would give him a year to see if he can get his priorities straight.
Got some support for that most teams assertion?
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Got some support for that most teams assertion?
Basically going off what Mayock said after Montgomery was drafted. I understand some don't consider Mayock as gospel but he does have more contacts than most and many teams and scouts are calling him for information. And Mayock would not have said it if it wasn't true. You just don't make up stuff like that and say it on TV. That's my support.
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Montgomery is known to march to his own drums, the way Foster did.

It's the Texans gain if Sam can get healthy soon.
IMO, he's second round talent.

Similarly, I thought of Foster as second round talent.
He was better than Montario Hardesty when they played together (but didn't have the number to show.)
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Got some support for that most teams assertion?
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Source told me "there is no way that the Texans have all the info on Sam Montgomery.... even WE took him off the board." Yikes.
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And you honestly think that is anything? That looks like LZ slapping himself in the face.
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I've heard that Nwhateverachu is looking very good in camp. He has speed to burn. he's atleast a PS candidate.
I want him to become a decent player cause I want that jersey.

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Source told me "there is no way that the Texans have all the info on Sam Montgomery.... even WE took him off the board." Yikes.
Personally, I thought it was Zierlein who didn't have all the info there.

According to what was out and around at the time, LZ seemed to be basing his assessment on 2 things.

1 -- A picture of a note the LSU S&C coach had put in his window chastising some players who had skipped a workout. ONE workout.

2 -- An interview where Montgomery said that when he was at LSU, he didn't respect the weaker teams and didn't prepare as hard to play them. He also said in that interview that you can't do that in the NFL.

When you look at the tape of Montgomery, he wasn't a guy who slacked off on the field. He did appear to have a slow get-off but that was because of what he was being asked to do in most cases. When he wasn't reading the tackle and could key on the ball, he was fine.

LZ and some other people blew those two things (along with the lack of get-off) into a big thing about him not being a hardworker and not being motivated. But that's not how I read those things at all.

He's got to get on the field, though. His being out of shape coming into the OTAs and Camp is kinda damning, though. JJ, Cush, and the Ninja should get him turned around.
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And you honestly think that is anything? That looks like LZ slapping himself in the face.
I'm not sure there is anything I could post that would satisfy your request for support. Personally I don't know why Mayock and Zierlein would lie or make up something like that. Say one did, but both??? Of course I am not in denial.

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“The ankle feels pretty good,” Montgomery said. “I’m doing drops, doing cuts, doing sprints, getting out of stances and everything I can normally. It’s a little sore at times but still I push through it and get better every day.”
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“Honestly, I feel like I’m right there with the team,” Montgomery said. “You know, I come out there every day with my notepad, my book and I take a lot of mental reps, write down everything, do what I’m supposed to do and I take advantage of every last opportunity I’m given.”
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“It was just a whole thing of being a pro, learning how to get out there and how to get yourself better without even being in the plays,” he said. “Ed Reed does such a great job of it; a lot of older guys helped me out. It’s helping make me into a pro.”
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“Well, you know, in life there is a lot of adversity,” Montgomery said. “Every man or woman has to conquer adversity in life. I believe that’s one of the things that helps you grow into a man or a woman. I just believe that I’m writing my history right here of what kind of guy I am and what kind of player I’m going to be.”
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Personally, I thought it was Zierlein who didn't have all the info there.
It appears that Lance was simply reporting what his source was telling him. Nothing less, nothing more. I don't know if the source gave Lance all the information about SM and the reasons why they took him off their draft board. If the source did Lance probably used good sense and didn't splatter it all over twitter. You can always contact Lance and ask him.
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I'm not sure there is anything I could post that would satisfy your request for support. Personally I don't know why Mayock and Zierlein would lie or make up something like that. Say one did, but both??? Of course I am not in denial.
Look, I don't care if this kid ever plays a down for the Texans. I just don't think Mayock or LZ know the draft boards of multiple teams especially below the 2nd round. I'm sorry but they simply don't know about these down the chart players and if they pretend to they are pumping themselves up.
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Look, I don't care if this kid ever plays a down for the Texans. I just don't think Mayock or LZ know the draft boards of multiple teams especially below the 2nd round. I'm sorry but they simply don't know about these down the chart players and if they pretend to they are pumping themselves up.
Look you were the one who asked for me to corroborate my post, I provided more than one and you choose not to believe either. This much I do know, Mayock & Zielein have better contacts and inside information than anyone on this board, including you, so pardon me if I choose to believe Mayock & Zierlein. They may not know every teams complete draft board but they do know plenty of people who do and confide in them. And like I said before why would they lie? and I am not the one suffering from denial here. There is an old saying, don't ask the question if you don't want to know the answer.
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Look, I don't care if this kid ever plays a down for the Texans. I just don't think Mayock or LZ know the draft boards of multiple teams especially below the 2nd round. I'm sorry but they simply don't know about these down the chart players and if they pretend to they are pumping themselves up.
Nothing against Mayock & Zeirline, but I think you're right. They may have pretty good knowledge about the game & the players, & maybe some insight about what teams are looking for.

But I don't think their grades are the Gospel a lot of people think they are. It's impossible to make one list that matches all 32 teams with any usable accuracy.
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Look you were the one who asked for me to corroborate my post, I provided more than one and you choose not to believe either. This much I do know, Mayock & Zielein have better contacts and inside information than anyone on this board, including you, so pardon me if I choose to believe Mayock & Zierlein. They may not know every teams complete draft board but they do know plenty of people who do and confide in them. And like I said before why would they lie? and I am not the one suffering from denial here. There is an old saying, don't ask the question if you don't want to know the answer.
I've seen several players with work ethic issues. I've seen several players with serious developmental needs. But I've never seen a player completely off every teams draft board for something as silly as what we've seen.

Unless there's a mountain of evidence that Mayock & Zierline are witholding, it just doesn't make sense.

Why would they lie? Because they heard one or two teams had taken him off their board, maybe a dozen... either way, it's a big story, so they ran it.

Not really a lie per se, just over emphasis on a particular thing.
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Nothing against Mayock & Zeirline, but I think you're right. They may have pretty good knowledge about the game & the players, & maybe some insight about what teams are looking for.

But I don't think their grades are the Gospel a lot of people think they are. It's impossible to make one list that matches all 32 teams with any usable accuracy.
I think you're missing the point here, in both instances with Mayock and Zierlein, it was not a compiled list or anything that they had individually done. Both Mayock and Zierlein said their contacts (source) told them that their teams had taken Montgomery off their draft boards. In the case of Mayock his comment was most and with Zierlein it was one. I still don't know why they would lie about something like this. ????
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I've seen several players with work ethic issues. I've seen several players with serious developmental needs.
Imagine how many more players you will have seen when you're 60.
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