Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft The future stars of the NFL

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-05-2013   #341
silvrhand
Site Contributor
 
silvrhand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: La Porte, TX
Section: 135J 5-8
Age: 39
Posts: 2,283
Rep Power: 33080 silvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respectedsilvrhand is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to silvrhand Send a message via MSN to silvrhand Send a message via Yahoo to silvrhand
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
Oh his parents are for sure culpable in whatever comes of this. How they could allow/enable their son to do some of this stuff is beyond me. Especially allowing a buddy who has already gotten him into trouble to be his personal assistant and manage much of his life outside of football. That is just DUMB.
Because he's 18+ and he can in reality do what he wants when he wants, if he so desires. His parents really have no claim on him at this point if they really tried to enforce it, you'll only end up in a bad spot.
__________________
Vance Joseph I was wrong, enjoying the slice of humble pie I've been served.

In response to the new Vance Joseph Hiring:
silvrhand is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #342
Rey
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 14,475
Rep Power: 0 Rey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
Oh his parents are for sure culpable in whatever comes of this. How they could allow/enable their son to do some of this stuff is beyond me. Especially allowing a buddy who has already gotten him into trouble to be his personal assistant and manage much of his life outside of football. That is just DUMB.
I'm not going to say that his parents don't shoulder some blame. They raised him. I have no idea what kind of parents they were though.

What I want to know is this: Manziel is 20 years old...At what point does a string of questionable behavior and possible mistakes get squarely placed on his decision making?

If this was VY, how would you feel about it? Do we care that VY grew up in a tough situation and struggled with things when we ridicule him?

At some point, everybody has got to be their own man/woman. He needs to look in the mirror and ask himself if he's doing anything to bring this drama in his life.
Rey is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #343
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by silvrhand View Post
Because he's 18+ and he can in reality do what he wants when he wants, if he so desires. His parents really have no claim on him at this point if they really tried to enforce it, you'll only end up in a bad spot.
Not entirely true. They fund much of his lifestyle and he leans on them a lot.
They could manage him better and have a greater say but they appear to be enablers more than anything.

If someone raises a spoiled child, who is responsible when they continue to act as they were raised as they become adults??

And how do you teach them to be responsible and learn the lessons many of us did as children when the stakes weren't so high?

He definitely need to stop being a 20 year old kid and grow up, but I don't think he knows how and his parents and friends who would normally be the ones offering guidance are certainly not helping.
Stemp is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #344
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,664
Rep Power: 57885 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Don't care how much money you have. After reading all the latest articles it is clear to see that this Manziel apple didn't fall far from the tree. I doubt Johnny sees September as the Aggies QB and Mom & Dad will be blaming Texas A&M and many more for Johnny's self destruction and fall from grace.

Last edited by Texian; 08-06-2013 at 11:38 AM.
Texian is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #345
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
 
CloakNNNdagger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 16,052
Rep Power: 216190 CloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post
Not entirely true. They fund much of his lifestyle and he leans on them a lot.
They could manage him better and have a greater say but they appear to be enablers more than anything.

If someone raises a spoiled child, who is responsible when they continue to act as they were raised as they become adults??

And how do you teach them to be responsible and learn the lessons many of us did as children when the stakes weren't so high?

He definitely need to stop being a 20 year old kid and grow up, but I don't think he knows how and his parents and friends who would normally be the ones offering guidance are certainly not helping.

I've always told my kids, if you don't learn your life's lessons while you are at home, you will likely learn your lessons through your principal, your boss, the police, or the judge.
CloakNNNdagger is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #346
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
 
CloakNNNdagger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 16,052
Rep Power: 216190 CloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

I would hate to be A&M's HC 1 month before the season.........and not knowing squat......
CloakNNNdagger is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #347
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
 
htownfan32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: College Station, TX
Posts: 4,134
Rep Power: 123160 htownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respectedhtownfan32 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger View Post
I would hate to be A&M's HC 1 month before the season.........and not knowing squat......
I believe in Sumlin. If Manziel does get suspended, I sincerely hope everyone who called him a system QB was right
If not... well, we're going to have to do something as far as our offense is concerned, because the defense isn't going to win us any games. Too much inexperience.
htownfan32 is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #348
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Ok, now this certainly throws in an interesting twist.....


http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/...-or-not-142424
Stemp is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #349
TEXANRED
Texan-American
 
TEXANRED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Age: 38
Posts: 7,494
Rep Power: 71958 TEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANRED is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

I am starting to smell a David Carr part Duex coming out of Aggie land. Manziel's family will be his undoing.
__________________
I am in an abusive relationship with life and I am to cowardly to leave it. - Homer Simpson.

TEXANRED is offline  
Old 08-05-2013   #350
Texn4life
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 33
Posts: 3,055
Rep Power: 31529 Texn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger View Post
I would hate to be A&M's HC 1 month before the season.........and not knowing squat......
Its very Bill Belichickian of him........ Sumlin said all the right things today in my opinion. His job is to deflect while the powers that be handle things behind the scenes.
Texn4life is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #351
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
 
CloakNNNdagger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 16,052
Rep Power: 216190 CloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respectedCloakNNNdagger is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Manziel memorabilia 'all over the place' at national convention
August 5, 2013 6:14 pm ET

Quote:
As Johnny Manziel faces potential eligibility concerns over whether he received money for signing autographs, his presence was prevalent at a Chicago-area autograph convention last week.

Several different autograph dealers were selling stacks of Manziel autographed 8x10 and 11x14 photos accompanied with a Professional Sports Authenticator, a rep with an autograph business attending a National Sports Collectors Convention told CBSSports.com.

Autographs for several high-profile college athletes are currently on eBay, not just Manziel. But the Manziel photos were packaged as if they came from scheduled signings with vendors, the rep said, with the signature in the same place on each photo. Manziel memorabilia was "all over the place" during the convention in Rosemont, Ill., that ended Sunday.

“It's rare for this quantity and quality to be out there (from a college athlete),” said the rep, who spoke on condition of anonymity and whose company has been in the autograph business for more than a decade. “At these shows if we see one or two signatures from guys still in school they could have been signed in person with no compensation. There were a number of different dealers at this show all with stacks of (Manziel) photos, all certified as if they came out of a signing. I've really never seen that from a guy still in school.”

To be sure, it's unclear whether Manziel directly has received compensation for his autographs while at A&M. On Sunday, ESPN reported Manziel agreed to sign memorabilia in exchange for a five-figure flat fee while in Miami for the national title game in January.

An autograph broker from the Southeast on Monday told ESPN that Manziel's friend/personal assistant Nate Fitch said Manziel would not be signing autographs for free after signing about 250 items during the season.

Manziel is expected to practice with A&M this month but was not available to the media as the Aggies opened camp Monday. Coach Kevin Sumlin said his staff found out about the investigation Sunday and that A&M is gathering facts.

The NCAA likely will be looking for a paper trail from a dealer to Manziel, but according to a sports attorney with knowledge of the NCAA's investigations, the enforcement staff can build a case with circumstantial evidence since the NCAA's standard of proof is not the same as a criminal standard.
CloakNNNdagger is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #352
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

It actually makes sense somewhat for him to sign a bunch of stuff for free.
The more stuff out there, the less all the stuff is worth. So if he floods the market with valid memorabilia, those people will make less and less from what they have.

The trick with the NCAA is that they really do have to prove he accepted money. And if they rule him inelilgble for the year, he will likely immediately join the OBannion lawsuit and the NCAA would be in deep doo doo. With Manziel, they can show how much money the NCAA is making and keeping from athletes and it's a high probability they lose the lawsuit and millions if not billions of dollars.

The NCAA is probably going to tread lightly with Manziel in all likelyhood. Don't be surprised if A&M offers a 2 game suspension plus Manziel paying back the money (assuming he did it) and the NCAA accepting it.
Stemp is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #353
Blake
MMQB
 
Blake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Spring
Section: 551
Posts: 10,797
Rep Power: 75432 Blake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respectedBlake is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...aphing-helmets

Quote:
On the videos, which the broker said were recorded without Manziel's knowledge, ESPN heard Manziel say "you never did a signing with me" and that if the broker were to tell anyone, he would refuse to deal with him again in the future. Manziel, who appeared comfortable throughout the video recordings, also said if asked, he would say he had simply been approached by various autograph seekers.
At one point, ESPN heard a broker ask Manziel if he would take additional cash to sign with special inscriptions, but Manziel declined, indicating he had done that before and it led to questions. The video does not show Manziel accepting cash, which the broker alleges happened three times. The broker told ESPN Manziel said he wanted money for new rims for his vehicle.
Blake is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #354
Texn4life
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 33
Posts: 3,055
Rep Power: 31529 Texn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Now another broker has come forward saying he paid JM $7500 on 3 different occasions for signings and has video of him signing. Still no record of cash being given, but this isn't good.

Here's my problem with Manziel and his dad. They gave an interview talking about how everyone was profiting off of JM except him. But some of these incidents are alleged to have happened before Johnny even won the Heisman and the Aggies were even pushing Manziel to everyone. Selfish dude and a lying phony if he's doing all this crying about not making money while making money.

These guys are exploited somewhat, but everyone knows the rules. Just rule him ineligible and move on at this point.
Texn4life is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #355
Rey
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 14,475
Rep Power: 0 Rey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texn4life View Post
Now another broker has come forward saying he paid JM $7500 on 3 different occasions for signings and has video of him signing. Still no record of cash being given, but this isn't good.

Here's my problem with Manziel and his dad. They gave an interview talking about how everyone was profiting off of JM except him. But some of these incidents are alleged to have happened before Johnny even won the Heisman and the Aggies were even pushing Manziel to everyone. Selfish dude and a lying phony if he's doing all this crying about not making money while making money.

These guys are exploited somewhat, but everyone knows the rules. Just rule him ineligible and move on at this point.
Might have been him rationalizing what he was allegedly doing.
Rey is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #356
Texn4life
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Age: 33
Posts: 3,055
Rep Power: 31529 Texn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respectedTexn4life is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

One other problem A&M has is that it might have to vacate wins from last year. If Johnny was getting paid during the season for signings then its not just as simple as him being ruled ineligible for this coming season. Damn I hate this for the rest of those kids at the school. Its really not fair to them at all.
Texn4life is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #357
Texian
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,664
Rep Power: 57885 Texian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respectedTexian is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Toast
Texian is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #358
Rey
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 14,475
Rep Power: 0 Rey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemp View Post

The NCAA is probably going to tread lightly with Manziel in all likelyhood. Don't be surprised if A&M offers a 2 game suspension plus Manziel paying back the money (assuming he did it) and the NCAA accepting it.
Come on Stemp...

That's not happening. If Manziel is found to have taken money, the NCAA is not going to allow A&M to impose a meager 2 game suspension and just have him give the money back.

He likely won't be playing for A&M anymore if any of this is true.
Rey is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #359
Honoring Earl 34
Hey Koolaid
 
Honoring Earl 34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Houston
Age: 51
Posts: 19,200
Rep Power: 191772 Honoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respectedHonoring Earl 34 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

The Johnny Football Saga now on DVD .

__________________
I wanted to write something big .

Round Dan
Honoring Earl 34 is offline  
Old 08-06-2013   #360
Stemp
Brew Master
 
Stemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Temple, TX
Section: Sec 118 Row H
Age: 37
Posts: 7,124
Rep Power: 46692 Stemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respectedStemp is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Manziel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
Come on Stemp...

That's not happening. If Manziel is found to have taken money, the NCAA is not going to allow A&M to impose a meager 2 game suspension and just have him give the money back.

He likely won't be playing for A&M anymore if any of this is true.
That's a big if. There is still no proof he did anything wrong (esn doesn't even have the video) and the "accusers" who are basically scum are refusing to talk to the NCAA or go on the record.

And yes, manziel joining the obannon lawsuit is a big deal. If the rule him ineligible he has nothin stopping him from joining it and the NCAA is even closer to losing a lot of their cash flow considering how proven his value is.
Stemp is offline  
Closed Thread

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger