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Old 08-03-2013   #81
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Well other than that who wouldn't want him? - lower completion %, higher INT %, lower YPA, lower YPG, lower QB rating (by a lot). That has upgrade spelled all over it.
pssh.. he's got a stronger arm & he's more mobile.

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Whose instincts have paid off?
Uh... Schaub is a system QB
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Big play not in yds but in getting "it" when we need it and putting in the end zone. You can throw 20+ yd passes all day but still suck if that makes sense.
Just to make it clear ,I'm not a Schaub hater just wish he was more clutch.
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Big play not in yds but in getting "it" when we need it and putting in the end zone. You can throw 20+ yd passes all day but still suck if that makes sense.
Just to make it clear ,I'm not a Schaub hater just wish he was more clutch.
Hey I hear there is a guy available from around here who everyone said had the "it" factor.
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Big play not in yds but in getting "it" when we need it and putting in the end zone. You can throw 20+ yd passes all day but still suck if that makes sense.
Just to make it clear ,I'm not a Schaub hater just wish he was more clutch.
Clutch like Cutler?
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Hey I hear there is a guy available from around here who everyone said had the "it" factor.
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Default Re: Case Keenum grabs early edge in Texans backup QB

This is a tired old debate about Schaub. You are either for or against him, but even if your against him you know you have no other option right now. So its a moot point.
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Only people who want Keenum are bloated Texans homers and Red Bloods.
Some of us are saying we want Keenum to win or lose the BACKUP job on the field. ON. THE. FIELD. Not on some scouting report, not in your head, not in some hack writer's blog, and not on some message board. If he sucks on the field, you won't hear anyone clamoring for Keenum. No one's clamoring for him to be the starter now. We just want to see what he can do in PRESEASON.

One more point regarding the draft situation - just about every time we hear about some QB that got passed over in the draft that eventually becomes something, it's because he got a chance to play. When those kinds of guys don't get a chance to play, you don't know they can't hack it. You DO NOT KNOW. You're taking the word of every talking head, analyst, and draftnik that's repeated hand-me-down info over and over again. But the simple fact is, you don't know for sure that Case Keenum can't play in the NFL until you watch him succeed or fail. To put that into perspective, we were told guys like Flutie couldn't make it in the NFL. The Chargers gave up on Drew Brees even after he had a chance. Steve Young was given up on. Case Keenum will not likely ever be like any of those guys, but the point is you don't know. None of us do. So some of us just want to watch the guy in PRESEASON.

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If you had witnessed the numerous come from behind victories that Keenum led at UH there would be no discussion.
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To put that into perspective, we were told guys like Flutie couldn't make it in the NFL. The Chargers gave up on Drew Brees even after he had a chance. Steve Young was given up on.
don't forget that guy who was stocking shelves, then became Super Bowl MVP.
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Some of us are saying we want Keenum to win or lose the BACKUP job on the field. ON. THE. FIELD. Not on some scouting report, not in your head, not in some hack writer's blog, and not on some message board. If he sucks on the field, you won't hear anyone clamoring for Keenum. No one's clamoring for him to be the starter now. We just want to see what he can do in PRESEASON.

One more point regarding the draft situation - just about every time we hear about some QB that got passed over in the draft that eventually becomes something, it's because he got a chance to play. When those kinds of guys don't get a chance to play, you don't know they can't hack it. You DO NOT KNOW. You're taking the word of every talking head, analyst, and draftnik that's repeated hand-me-down info over and over again. But the simple fact is, you don't know for sure that Case Keenum can't play in the NFL until you watch him succeed or fail. To put that into perspective, we were told guys like Flutie couldn't make it in the NFL. The Chargers gave up on Drew Brees even after he had a chance. Steve Young was given up on. Case Keenum will not likely ever be like any of those guys, but the point is you don't know. None of us do. So some of us just want to watch the guy in PRESEASON.

Perspective. It's a great thing.
Agree. It sounds like he might get some meaningful playing time in the preseason. If he does, I hope that he performs well and that we carry 3 QBs on the roster. If that happens, maybe he will get another opportunity in the regular season. It's up to him, but I'm pulling for him.
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Want to emphasize that not everybody sees things the same way. That happens with games too.

But saying "Case Keenum grabs early edge" when he's not taking the vast majority of 2nd team snaps is a fart noises article. Just seeing the headline makes me angry because I think it is affirmatively misleading to people who cannot see most of this themselves.

I'm going to be away from camp next week so I know how it is when you want real news and you get this bleep.
A fan like me living abroad do not get a chance to see the players in real action. So, only info I get through media or from hard core fans like here at TTC. When media starts to hype about your favorite team's player, you tend to get overly excited. Sometimes false information can play with your emotion going up and down and up and down. This is why I try hard not to get overly excited about the information I get from media. I usually confirm information through TTC message board as I believe the most knowledgeable fans are here.

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Want to emphasize that not everybody sees things the same way. That happens with games too.

But saying "Case Keenum grabs early edge" when he's not taking the vast majority of 2nd team snaps is a fart noises article. Just seeing the headline makes me angry because I think it is affirmatively misleading to people who cannot see most of this themselves.

I'm going to be away from camp next week so I know how it is when you want real news and you get this bleep.
As you're probably aware, editors often change a headline to grab attention after the writer has submitted the final draft. For this article, do you think the problem is more with the headline or the content?

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Only people who want Keenum are bloated Texans homers and Red Bloods. If the guy was sooooo damn good he would have been drafted, plain and simple. If he is the future after Schaub we are royally screwed IMO.
I'm a Longhorn, but I've done my research on this player.

History has proven that draft status is not a valid disqualifier. Good talent often falls through the cracks for unfair reasons. Of all NFL fanbases, Houston's should appreciate that fact. Here is one of the reasons for Keenum's snubbing:

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Houston quarterback Case Keenum revealed that he suffered a strained hamstring on his second attempt at the 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine last month in Indianapolis. He said he didn’t want to make excuses, which is why he decided to still throw, but it clearly affected him.

“I strained my hamstring on the second 40,” Keenum said on Monday after his performance at UH’s pro day. “I’m not a track guy or 400-hurdler or haven’t qualified for the Olympics but I think I was trying to at that point, trying to run a 4.3. But strained my hamstring on the second 40 and it kind of put me in a funk. I went over to see the trainers and (quarterbacks) were already warming up throwing. I’m not going to make excuses and I didn’t that day. I said ‘I”m out here, I’m going to throw.’ But it definitely wasn’t me at my best.”
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The other reasons for not being drafted were his size and that he is a system QB. Again, these are not valid disqualifiers.

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Come on Keenum doesn't have the physical ability to play NFL quarterback, let's please get a real successor to Schaub and not have another backup QB as the heir to our team.
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They can say what they want,but keenam is not a nfl quality qb.
Where does this come from?

If it's strictly opinion, I'll offer Kubiak's:

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If it's his athleticism, here's his Pro Day results:

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If it's his arm strength, here's what he did on Tuesday:

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Case Keenum and Keshawn Martin with a huge reception. 50 yard bomb over Harris. Great coverage but better pass and catch.
You don't have to put your money on this horse, but at least admit he's a legit contender.
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This is a tired old debate about Schaub. You are either for or against him, but even if your against him you know you have no other option right now. So its a moot point.

Exactly. Don't care for him all that much. Understand completely that he's not going anywhere short of catastrophic injury (which I would not wish on anyone) so I hope he succeeds despite my doubts.
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I'm a Longhorn, but I've done my research on this player.

You don't have to put your money on this horse, but at least admit he's a legit contender.
Great post and presentation. I'm like many others here as in I can't wait to see what he does in PS games. I'm also looking to see if TJ takes a major step forward. I'm of the opinion that if TJ doesn't show marked improvement his days are numbered. After reading the quote where Kubiak said that he needed to throw it better but at the same time he's said TJ's having a good camp.

I think preseason will tell us a whole lot.
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6 more days and we'll see him in action.
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Only people who want Keenum are bloated Texans homers and Red Bloods. If the guy was sooooo damn good he would have been drafted.
Sometimes circumstances cause players to become overlooked by the entire league, as in Arian Foster, who as a Texan still had to work pretty hard and get a break to get his opportunity. So, your statement is simply wrong.

Some people have already made up their minds that Keenum can't play in this league. Others simply want to see him have an opportunity now that Kubiak says that he has become more comfortable and confident in the system.
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As you're probably aware, editors often change a headline to grab attention after the writer has submitted the final draft. For this article, do you think the problem is more with the headline or the content?
The headline is wildly inaccurate.

The article is a overly fawning pile of ****.

Yes, Case Keenum has improve from last year because he was horrible last year. And yes, Kubiak is pushing TJ to be better because he wants to create a sense of competition and urgency.

The article sounds like it was written by his dad or agent or something.
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Some people have already made up their minds that Keenum can't play in this league. Others simply want to see him have an opportunity now that Kubiak says that he has become more comfortable and confident in the system.
And others are working on his HOF bust already.

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