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Old 08-02-2013   #21
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Reading this I don't really see where Keenum has "gained the edge" as the thread title claims.



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Written by the same idiot who called JJ Watt a pizza boy on draft night while promoting the idea that the Texans would rue the day they chose him over Nick Fairley.

Yeah I'm not so sure his analysis skills are worth anything when it comes to football.
And that's all I need to read. Thanks b0ng!
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The one thing I like is Kubiak mentioning how Keenum always has four or five plays per day that "can't be teached".
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The one thing I like is Kubiak mentioning how Keenum always has four or five plays per day that "can't be teached".
Are you suggesting that Kubiak uses Aggie grammar?
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With the running back play and defense play, in 2011, Yates was not really called upon to generate his own come from behinds......nor did he look like he could......he simply tried not to have games get out of hand by his own hand. That impression was not changed by last year's performance in the preseason or the times he came into 3 games for limited playing time, where he had 1 int, 1 sack and 0 TDs (won't rag on him for no TD).......in "garbage" time with an average passer rating of 35. Yates has never looked to me like he was capable of coming back from a significant deficit or putting up quick numbers on his own. Just my opinion that with the type of QB Keenum is, he has a better chance of developing into such weapon.
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Gotta pull for Case. I hope he gets a chance to play this year.
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There have been several more QBs that were undrafted and became starter in the NFL, most notably Jim Zorn, Jake Delhome, Dave Krieg, Jim Hart, and John Kitna.

So, no, I can't agree that Keenum has no shot at all.
I'm not sure if that was directed at a particular individual. But I'll answer anyway. I never said he had no chance. But I don't think it's a high chance for sure. By all accounts he is light years ahead of last year, so that's good.

I still feel in the final analysis that Kubes is partially "highlighting" or playing up Keenum's progress in media reports and interviews as much or more because of what Keenum is doing, then what TJ is not. I think he's pushing Yates and trying his best to light a fire under TJ.

Competition typically makes one better, especially people that are natural competitors. I know I don't seem like it, but I am highly competitive. I won't let a 2 yr old win a game of tiddly winks. It's in my DNA that when faced with an adversary, I'm driven to be at my best. And I think most football players are the same. And Kubes knows that. He's no dummy.

So, my final analysis here is that I disagree with this author. I actually do think Kubes is quite capable of playing psychological mind games with his players. It's not like we haven't seen it before. One example - Mario Williams.
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Now, do you want a guy there that's never taken a single NFL snap, or do you want the guy that led the team to the playoffs and was the starting QB in a playoff game?

If you answered the guy with no experience, then...


i'll take kubs decision regardless. not some observation from people on the threads.
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Reading this I don't really see where Keenum has "gained the edge" as the thread title claims.



the thread title is the title of the article
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I'm not sure if that was directed at a particular individual. But I'll answer anyway. I never said he had no chance. But I don't think it's a high chance for sure. By all accounts he is light years ahead of last year, so that's good.

I still feel in the final analysis that Kubes is partially "highlighting" or playing up Keenum's progress in media reports and interviews as much or more because of what Keenum is doing, then what TJ is not. I think he's pushing Yates and trying his best to light a fire under TJ.

Competition typically makes one better, especially people that are natural competitors. I know I don't seem like it, but I am highly competitive. I won't let a 2 yr old win a game of tiddly winks. It's in my DNA that when faced with an adversary, I'm driven to be at my best. And I think most football players are the same. And Kubes knows that. He's no dummy.

So, my final analysis here is that I disagree with this author. I actually do think Kubes is quite capable of playing psychological mind games with his players. It's not like we haven't seen it before. One example - Mario Williams.
keenum def has a high chance at being 3rd. yates was 3rd and played in the playoffs.
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I'm not saying I disagree with you, but Yates didn't have a single NFL snap when he was called on, so obviously it is possible for an inexperienced QB to come in and have success.
Amen.

Yates, by most observers at training camp, is being caught from behind by someone that the NFL didn't even think was draft worthy. That Yates has had "playoff experience" is a matter of record. But I don't get the sense that he's stepping up, progressing enough, to legitimately challenge Schaub for the #1 spot. Don't you guys think that, in his third year, if Yates was "all that", that he should have Schaub looking nervously over his shoulder?
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Gotta pull for Case. I hope he gets a chance to play this year.
That would mean Schaub has to get hurt, we all know you would love that though. So i believe you do hope he gets a chance.
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By all accounts Keenum has made great strides. And I think he has a little bit of an "it" factor that TJ lacks in my view. He might even have more upside - TBD.

Having said that, he has to pass not one, but two guys with real NFL game experience, one of whom has playoff experience.

In my mind, Case has to not play even, or play a little better. He has to be clearly head and shoulders above TJ to be named #2. It has to be so obvious that Kubes has no choice.

To put it another way. it's a big game and the playoffs are on the line. Schaub just got sacked. It's 17 for the opponent, 10 for the Texans. There is 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Plenty of time. Looks like Schaub might be out the rest of the game, as he's limping to the sideline. Time to bring in your backup.

Now, do you want a guy there that's never taken a single NFL snap, or do you want the guy that led the team to the playoffs and was the starting QB in a playoff game?

If you answered the guy with no experience, then...

At one point every QB in the NFL had never taken a single NFL snap. If that's the primary criteria that you base that decision on then by all means, play the guy. If for some reason you feel like the better choice is the rookie then you're by no means automatically failing. Someone should abort your fetus because he's a friggin idiot.
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That would mean Schaub has to get hurt, we all know you would love that though. So i believe you do hope he gets a chance.
Or it could mean at the end of the season when everything is locked up!
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I'm not saying I disagree with you, but Yates didn't have a single NFL snap when he was called on, so obviously it is possible for an inexperienced QB to come in and have success.
True, it can happen. When your choice is the guy who pretended to be a QB for the last 3 months or the guy who's been taken snaps at TE for the last three months...... you go with what you got. Roll the dice, see what happens.

Now, the situation is different. You've got a good idea how Tj will handle the huddle, & how the team will respond when Tj is in there. You've seen Tj under "live fire" & he pulled a game or two out of his butt for ya.

Kubiak does have the benefit of seeing Keenum in practice & maybe there is something there that would give Kubiak enough confidence in how Keenum would handle the huddle, the game, the "real" pressure... if he's got the short term memory that a QB needs.

But like Porky said, I think Keenum would have to show a lot for Kubiak to switch. A lot more than what he showed to not get himself drafted.

But... then again it makes no sense at all that he didn't get drafted.
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We'll all be seeing him in action soon enough. Then we'll have a better idea. I hope like hell Keenum does well, but if he doesn't the damn world ain't coming to an end. LOL
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We'll all be seeing him in action soon enough. Then we'll have a better idea. I hope like hell Keenum does well, but if he doesn't the damn world ain't coming to an end. LOL
What's important to remember, is that it's the preseason. He'll be playing with guys who weren't good enough to make the starting team. Sometimes they'll catch the ball, sometimes they won't.

So even if he ends up with gaudy stats, if I'm the coach I'm judging Keenum (& Tj for that matter) based on how he executed the play, more than I'm judging him on the outcome of the play. Is he making good reads, is he rushing his feet, is the ball coming out on time (very important for what we do). If he holds the ball, then runs for a first down.... was that the best decision? If he could have thrown the ball like the play was designed, I'd have rathered he threw the ball. If his 3-4 receivers are all covered & he makes something out of nothing, that's totally different.

How is he getting in & out of the huddle, how is he at the line, does he see what I see... & if not, why not?

It's more about why he does what he does, than what he does.
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Amen.

Yates, by most observers at training camp, is being caught from behind by someone that the NFL didn't even think was draft worthy. That Yates has had "playoff experience" is a matter of record. But I don't get the sense that he's stepping up, progressing enough, to legitimately challenge Schaub for the #1 spot. Don't you guys think that, in his third year, if Yates was "all that", that he should have Schaub looking nervously over his shoulder?
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On 610 earlier today john mcclain basically guaranteed that keenum would be our starter a couple of years down the road. To me that means keenum has no shot at all. Case closed (pun intended.)
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