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Old 08-01-2013   #181
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Mays was cut for salary when it was clear he would not start. Some FOs will do a player a favor by cutting him early so he can catch on with another team. A number of team pursued Mays, but he made it pretty clear that Rick Smith sold him on the Texans.

Mays will be on 610 AM SportsRadio in the next/4 o'clock hour.
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That's more like a bounce. Rather than a bouncing....

But seriously, trying to use the fact that the Broncos cut him as evidence that he's not good is kind of silly.
And didn't the Broncos change from a 3-4 to 4-3 this year?
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And didn't the Broncos change from a 3-4 to 4-3 this year?
Pretty sure they changed to a 4-3 when John Fox got there a few years ago.
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That's more like a bounce. Rather than a bouncing....

But seriously, trying to use the fact that the Broncos cut him as evidence that he's not good is kind of silly.
I didn't say he was not good, I did indicate he was kind of average and ordinary. I'm not trying to make him to be more than what has been his 5 years in the league which is pretty much a journeyman. If Cush was at 100% and Sharpton was on the field I doubt Mays is even a blip on the Texans radar.
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GB or SD? PFF shows Mays only took 25/72 snaps vs. GB with 2 missed tackles, but he took 48/78 snaps with 4 missed tackles vs. SD -- which is pretty bad, but...

PFF has him for 7 missed tackles in 2011 WC game vs. Steelers(68/73 snaps).
One of them games; I guess I can go back quickly to find out which one, because the majority of the misses were in the first half. I'm pretty sure I counted 4 in the first half and 1 in the second. Obviously, there's a discrepancy as my total is different from the other guys; it was probably their thinking that Mays was blocked out of one of them. I knew I thought about that one, too. Let just say I'm a little more bias against Mays - which I know I'm not - that's OK.
The core of the matter is there.

(And I know that you are quite appreciative of my watching games and try to convey thing as they are to the best of my knowledge, so I never had a beef with ya' - just as I appreciate all the info you've been providing us -we're good).

But you're telling me there's another game that I haven't got to, and Mays missed 7 tackles? Hot dang. How the heck did he get that contract?

Icak, man, Mays must have been balling out in the other ten games that I haven't got to or something was very wrong.

So far, I know that I'm not pulling a rabbit out of a hat.
Perhaps, you can watch some games and tell us what was it that you saw that was great about Mays. I'm all ears (pun intended, haha).
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I didn't say he was not good, I did indicate he was kind of average and ordinary. I'm not trying to make him to be more than what has been his 5 years in the league which is pretty much a journeyman. If Cush was at 100% and Sharpton was on the field I doubt Mays is even a blip on the Texans radar.
If tell a girl that he make-up is bad, her clothes don't fit right, her lips are too small for her face, her ears turn me off, her hair looks bad..... but then say...Baby....I'm not saying you're ugly....

What is she supposed to think?

You named a bunch of negatives about the guy and then you're saying that you didn't say he was not good?

Journeyman is a non-descript word so I don't even know what you mean by that. He's only actually played for two teams in his career and this is his third.

As for your last sentence, I disagree. Sharpton can't be counted on to stay healthy and there isn't much depth there even if he was healthy and practicing. Plus, the guy had interest from quite a few other teams.
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Icak, man, Mays must have been balling out in the other ten games that I haven't got to or something was very wrong.
you realize he wasn't talking about games from last year right?
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Pretty sure they changed to a 4-3 when John Fox got there a few years ago.
Their look can be like a 4-3, but basically, their base is more like a 52, same as the Texans. It was explained on the Broncos website by a couple of guys who know the X and O as much as Rey does.

If you follow what Kubiak said about how much we were in the dime and nickel;
the Broncos were, too.
There isn't much difference, just the cirscumstances that prompted the media to classify one from the other.
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you realize he wasn't talking about games from last year right?
Yes, that's why I said I had watched all the 2012 games and 5 games from 2011 so far (probably six, I think - but I may want to watch that 6th game one more time). There are still more games from 2011 that I need to watch.
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Their look can be like a 4-3, but basically, their base is more like a 52, same as the Texans. It was explained on the Broncos website by a couple of guys who know the X and O as much as Rey does.

If you follow what Kubiak said about how much we were in the dime and nickel;
the Broncos were, too.
There isn't much difference, just the cirscumstances that prompted the media to classify one from the other.
Gotcha, I can't say I follow or analyze the Broncos enough to say what "looks" they actually show. Just was responding to Doc mainly of when they switched from the 3-4. Thanks for breaking it down though.
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But you're telling me there's another game that I haven't got to, and Mays missed 7 tackles? Hot dang. How the heck did he get that contract?
Yup, playoff game. I was one-uppin' ya. He got $12 mill/$4 guaranteed first year after that.

I guess Elway had a soft spot for him?
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Pretty sure they changed to a 4-3 when John Fox got there a few years ago.
Thanks, he actually changed it for the 2012 season. The point I was trying to make is that maybe Mays just didn't fit as well last year after the change.
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Thanks, he actually changed it for the 2012 season. The point I was trying to make is that maybe Mays just didn't fit as well last year after the change.
Mays was signed and brought in for the 2010 season. That year, they were a 3-4 team. In 2011, they shifted to a 4-3 team.

Mays came in to Denver as a RILB.
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Their look can be like a 4-3, but basically, their base is more like a 52, same as the Texans. It was explained on the Broncos website by a couple of guys who know the X and O as much as Rey does.

If you follow what Kubiak said about how much we were in the dime and nickel;
the Broncos were, too.
There isn't much difference, just the cirscumstances that prompted the media to classify one from the other.
Mays must be a good fit, he's currently running with the 1st team. The Broncos changed over from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in 2011 when Fox became HC. Fox has always run a 4-3 defense. 1st as DC with the Giants and then during his many sucessful yrs with the Panthers.

Fox does have some 5-2 princilples in his defense, he will occasionally play the OLB's close to the LOS. But he only does this about 20% of the time. Wade's defense is in the 5-2 look 70-80 % of the time by contrast.

The reason many think the Fox runs a base 5-2 is because he used Miller and Dumervil as DE's on pass rushing downs and dropped down DE Derek Wolf to pair up at DT with Kevin Vickerson in pass rushing situations. (Having all of his best pass rushers on the field on passing downs seems like a good idea.)

The Broncos use their DT's to control the running game and need a fast MLB to cover the middle of the field. This didn't play well to Mays strengths. Even though Mays is a pretty god blitzer. (See Schaub hit) Mays is also a very good ST guy which is sorely needed. (Thanks Coach Joe)
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Whats better a healthy mays or an injuried on IR sharpton ? Lord he is better than a lot of other people who could be filling in so whats all the whinning about ?
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Whats better a healthy mays or an injuried on IR sharpton ? Lord he is better than a lot of other people who could be filling in so whats all the whinning about ?
I'm just hoping that between Sharpton and Mays, we get a full season of play at about the same level. But of course, they'll probably both go down at the worst possible time and in the same game.
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I didn't say he was not good, I did indicate he was kind of average and ordinary. I'm not trying to make him to be more than what has been his 5 years in the league which is pretty much a journeyman. If Cush was at 100% and Sharpton was on the field I doubt Mays is even a blip on the Texans radar.
I'll take average and ordinary. We're not going to have above-average talent at every position, and ILB was a weakness after Cushing went down last year. I don't know if he's an upgrade over a healthy Sharpton, but he's an upgrade over Bradie James and Tim Dobbins. Our depth at ILB was weak before Mays signing and now he helps solidify it.
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I think the only reason people dont seem to like him is because of what he did to Schaub in Denver, other than that I think mostly everyone would be on board with this move. Lets face it, we're ULTRA thin at the ILB position, and the guy who's suppose to be our guy is made of glass. Then who else do we have? Dobbins? OK...
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But you're telling me there's another game that I haven't got to, and Mays missed 7 tackles? Hot dang. How the heck did he get that contract?

Icak, man, Mays must have been balling out in the other ten games that I haven't got to or something was very wrong.
In 2009, the Texans defense looked like an NFL defense. Pollard was chop'n heads, Quin & McCain were making it difficult for receivers to make a living, Demeco & Cushing rulled the middle, & Mario was doing his thing.

We signed Pollard I think for a second season. He looked like crap in 2010, missing many assignments, getting burned, missing tackles.... didn't look like a guy we signed.

We let him go. He was a starting safety for the Baltimore Ravens in 2011 when they had their best finish in years, earning a home play off game. He started again on that same team in 2012 when they won a Super Bowl.

Do you think maybe Mays played in a system that allowed him to shine prior to 2012, but then switched to a different scheme/philosophy where he was being asked to do things that don't necessarily suit his strengths? & then maybe our system is more like the one he flourished in?

I don't think this guy is all that. I doubt he'll start over Daryl Sharpton. But I think there might be something to icak's point.

Fingers crossed.
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I don't even count sharpton as a player for us right now. I hope he comes back and has a good healthy season, but I cannot logically assume that will happen. As far as I'm concerned mays was a huge pick up because all we had as vets was dobbins and Cushing inside.
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