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Old 07-29-2013   #141
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I think this says a little bit about where the Texans are as an organization.

Mays was making $3M/yr last season. He signed for next to nothing. I'd have thought he would "believe" he is worth more than what we offered. Maybe even go to the 'skins to play with RG3, or New Orleans & try to win a Super Bowl.

But he picked us & it wasn't for the money.
I mentioned that a coworker, Redskins fan, when the signing news broke. Hey we don't suck anymore! People will take less to play for us now. No more Orlando Pace deals.
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Doc, if you don't mind looking into Mays' fractured fibula story, please.

Mays lost his starting job to old-man Brooking, I doubt that he's a better option than a healthy Sharpton.

Also, isn't Cushing supposed to be playing more at the MO for Wade?
This is what I previously posted re. the fibula fracture:

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Hell, he'd be great without being next to Cushing. He sustained what at first was thought to be an "ankle fracture" last October. However, it ended up being a distal fibula fracture, just above the level of the ankle joint. He had it surgically repaired and should be able to return to pre-injury level this season.
Reading the negative comments to us signing him on........especially based on his possibly losing his starting status following poor play in (and/or leading up to) the NE game last year, I have a thought on this. It would not be very "out in left field" to surmise that the several games preceding his fracture could have been a sign of "things to come".........a prodome. Overt fibula fractures are not uncommonly preceded by an undiagnosed fibula STRESS fracture. With a stress fracture, there may only be significant "soreness." Plain x-rays many times will not show the stress fracture, especially the first couple of weeks.........and there would be no signs of ankle bone separation expected in ankle sprains (including high ankle sprains) which can also be seen on plain x-rays if present. So significant injury is felt to be ruled out and the player is taped up and allowed to continue playing with resulting uncharacteristic subpar performance. Then later on, a significant loading force on the fibula, which he received when he jumped up high and came down hard for the punt block play where he suffered a completed fracture to the fibula, would not be surprising at all.
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Reading the negative comments to us signing him on........especially based on his possibly losing his starting status following poor play in (and/or leading up to) the NE game last year, I have a thought on this. It would not be very "out in left field" to surmise that the several games preceding his fracture could have been a sign of "things to come".........a prodome. Overt fibula fractures are not uncommonly preceded by an undiagnosed fibula STRESS fracture. With a stress fracture, there may only be significant "soreness." Plain x-rays many times will not show the stress fracture, especially the first couple of weeks.........and there would be no signs of ankle bone separation expected in ankle sprains (including high ankle sprains) which can also be seen on plain x-rays if present. So significant injury is felt to be ruled out and the player is taped up and allowed to continue playing with resulting uncharacteristic subpar performance. Then later on, a significant loading force on the fibula, which he received when he jumped up high and came down hard for the punt block play where he suffered a completed fracture to the fibula, would not be surprising at all.
Didn't Brisiel have a similar injury for us the year before, which was preceded by soreness or sprain, or negative xrays, or something else the team fed us?
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Reading the negative comments to us signing him on........especially based on his possibly losing his starting status following poor play in (and/or leading up to) the NE game last year, I have a thought on this. It would not be very "out in left field" to surmise that the several games preceding his fracture could have been a sign of "things to come".........a prodome. Overt fibula fractures are not uncommonly preceded by an undiagnosed fibula STRESS fracture. With a stress fracture, there may only be significant "soreness." Plain x-rays many times will not show the stress fracture, especially the first couple of weeks.........and there would be no signs of ankle bone separation expected in ankle sprains (including high ankle sprains) which can also be seen on plain x-rays if present. So significant injury is felt to be ruled out and the player is taped up and allowed to continue playing with resulting uncharacteristic subpar performance. Then later on, a significant loading force on the fibula, which he received when he jumped up high and came down hard for the punt block play where he suffered a completed fracture to the fibula, would not be surprising at all.
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Its a good signing. We upgraded depth and possibly becomes our #2. Nothing really has changed tho. It all comes down to Cush being healthy or not. Denver also had a problem with Mays was in pass coverage.
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Didn't Brisiel have a similar injury for us the year before, which was preceded by soreness or sprain, or negative xrays, or something else the team fed us?
Yes very similar.
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Doc, your take was quite logical, and I was about to say so... but I thought I check things out a little more.

He sustained the injury in game seven while blocking on a punt return.

We're back to square one.

It doesn't make sense to me that the Broncos would cut him.
Brooking is gone, and they don't have any proven player behind these two guys.
They also have plenty of cap space, so this doesn't sound like a cost cutting move.

Unless both of the young players on the roster showed tremendous improvement in OTA... but do coaches evaluate players without pads on that quickly?

I can't help but remain skeptical.

Maybe I should go back and watch some tapes; at least I heard that he's a good special team player, and we do need that.
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Doc, your take was quite logical, and I was about to say so... but I thought I check things out a little more.

He sustained the injury in game seven while blocking on a punt return.

We're back to square one.


It doesn't make sense to me that the Broncos would cut him.
Brooking is gone, and they don't have any proven player behind these two guys.
They also have plenty of cap space, so this doesn't sound like a cost cutting move.

Unless both of the young players on the roster showed tremendous improvement in OTA... but do coaches evaluate players without pads on that quickly?

I can't help but remain skeptical.

Maybe I should go back and watch some tapes; at least I heard that he's a good special team player, and we do need that.
Actually, the timing fits the picture for a non weight-bearing bone like the fibula. From player to player, there will be variable factors affecting IF and HOW MUCH TIME passes from original development of a fibula stress fracture to overt fracture of this bone. I've seen examples where stress fractures were actually missed on x-ray reading (as demonstrated in re-readings made in retrospect) with the overt fracture not occurring for a months thereafter. Meanwhile, the player is in significant pain (tough football players tend to "suck it up" and minimize their complaints) with performance definitely negatively effected. The pain of a stress fracture may begin gradually. Usually the pain worsens with increasing levels of activity and is relieved by rest. When rest is not provided, the stress fracture line may extend and deepen until a point in time (different in each case) when it weakens enough to go on to overt fracture. A sudden loading impact (jumping up then landing hard) will many times be the factor that creates this ultimate event.
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Mays, who spent the last three years in Denver, does give the Texans some much-needed depth at the inside linebacker position, with Brian Cushing recovering from an ACL surgery and Darryl Sharpton on the Non-football Injury list.

But he’s also going to be given a chance to win a starting role.
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In reality, nobody has earned a starting job at MO here right now,” Herring said. “So we’re going to take the recourses we have on the field, implement them competitively. And whoever plays the best, will play that week. But we’re not going to get into all of that right now. We just need to get Darryl back on the field. He’s gotta get on the field and play and sustain. We have to get Joe Mays on the field and caught up.”
Explains how the Texans signed him at such a low number versus the Redskins who said it would be a back up position on their team.

Also feel this sends a message to Sharpton, "Shape up or ship out".
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Explains how the Texans signed him at such a low number versus the Redskins who said it would be a back up position on their team.

Also feel this sends a message to Sharpton, "Shape up or ship out".
I am really hoping Sharpton gets that message this season. I am concerned why Denver cut Mays if not a cap issue. $4m is not extreme for a ILB and if he is recovered enough to start for Houston why not Denver?
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I am really hoping Sharpton gets that message this season. I am concerned why Denver cut Mays if not a cap issue. $4m is not extreme for a ILB and if he is recovered enough to start for Houston why not Denver?
Don't be concerned. If he doesn't work out, so what? We didn't invest anything really.

Only reason to be worried is if you think he's our last hope at ILB next to Cushing.
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I am really hoping Sharpton gets that message this season. I am concerned why Denver cut Mays if not a cap issue. $4m is not extreme for a ILB and if he is recovered enough to start for Houston why not Denver?
It's possible Mays hit his ceiling & Denver felt they overpaid for him. We don't need him to be a $4M guy.

He's a sixth round pick that's flashed a time or two. More than likely they paid him like we paid Winston who couldn't get a job until just recently.
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It's possible Mays hit his ceiling & Denver felt they overpaid for him. We don't need him to be a $4M guy.

He's a sixth round pick that's flashed a time or two. More than likely they paid him like we paid Winston who couldn't get a job until just recently.
Consider the fact that since the Broncos signed him prior to the 2010 season:

They have gone from a 3-4 to a 4-3 base defense
They have a new head coach (McDaniels then, Fox now)
They have a new D-Coordinator (Don Martindale then, Jack Del Rio now, Dennis Allen in-between)
They have a new GM/Exec. VP of Fball operations (Brian Xander then, John Elway now)

I don't know if there was a "football" reason that the Broncos got rid of him, but realistically, even if there was a "football" reason to keep him, it's a pretty good bet that there was nobody left who was invested in him enough to point it out.
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All very true guys and I still like the signing. If he is healthy, imo he starts over Sharpton. Now if we could just bring in a vet NT. lol
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All very true guys and I still like the signing. If he is healthy, imo he starts over Sharpton. Now if we could just bring in a vet NT. lol
I'm ok with the signing. If Sharpton stays healthy, we probably won't see much of Mays anyway.

If I'm wrong, he starts, & he's a big part of what our defense does... we make out pretty good.
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All very true guys and I still like the signing. If he is healthy, imo he starts over Sharpton. Now if we could just bring in a vet NT. lol
bb, I see the "lol" thingy so "not sure if serious"?

Camp reviews have been surprisingly positive (to some) about Earl Mitchell and all the cats behind him.

So are you serious or are we "lol-ing"?

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