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Old 07-29-2013   #101
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Until I see some on the field results I'm very ehhhhhhhh on this signing. I just don't see what he brings to the team that Dobbins doesn't already provide. He's a 2 down ILB.
Anyone playing next to Cush will be a two down player, so I'm not sure what the knock is...
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I like the move! Im assuming Cush will be more of a coverage ILB now since Mays mainly rushes (from what I remember) someone correct me if I'm wrong
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Anyone playing next to Cush will be a two down player, so I'm not sure what the knock is...
That's all I expect from him. Sharpton was supposed to be good enough in coverage to give Wade more options when going to nickel and dime. But, I've yet to see it, considering he hasn't been able to stay on the field. To be honest, I never thought he was all that when he was on the field. I'm not a coach, nor do I pretend to be one. Which may be the reason I don't see what the coaches see in the guy.
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Also, isn't Cushing supposed to be playing more at the MO for Wade?
Wade moved Cushing to MO when we had Brady James. Without Brady James I assume they'll be moving Cushing back to MIKE....

However, Sharpton is a MIKE. Maybe they'll leave Cushing at MO.... But I think it makes more sense to move Cushing.
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Anyone playing next to Cush will be a two down player, so I'm not sure what the knock is...
IMO, we need an ILB that gives us the versatility to do more coverage stuff, incase we're in our base set & two tightends release into routes. I'd also like a guy who's as good as Cushing in zone coverages to help protect the inside routes & force QBs to make tough throws by getting into passing lanes (by watching the QB's eyse) forcing him to have to get the ball up & over the LB, but drop it in front of the safeties.

As it is now, too many QBs like Fitzgerald, Tebow, Sanchez look good against us (when our pass rush isn't getting there) because they can make easy throws, on a rope with little fear that the ball will be tipped.

Watch other teams play, or watch the defense of other teams when we play them, their LBs are more active than ours are. I'll look, but I would bet our LBs are near the bottom of the league in passes defensed.
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The Texans ILBs had 12 PDs; the Broncos 5

The Steelers and the Cards both had 7.

The Jets had 3, the Chargers had 8.

The Packers 4, the Ravens 8, Redskins 11, Cowboys 6

These are the 3-4 teams that I had looked at so far.

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The Texans ILBs had 12 PDs; the Broncos 5
Source please?
It's not that I doubt your info, it's that I'd like to know which guys did what. So I need the raw data.
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The Texans ILBs had 12 PDs; the Broncos 5
Yeah.... I don't think Mays improves our team in this dept.

I did a quick look at ESPN Stats. Looks like Dobbins got 4 PDs, Reed got 3 PDs, Brian Cushing got 2, & Ruud got 2 PDs

I may have missed it, but I'm sure Barwin got at least two as well.. though his & Reed's would include batting balls down at the LOS, which is different as it says nothing about their ability in coverage.

If you click on my link, you'll see where the LBs start showing up. There are a few on page 2, but you start to see a lot of them here on page 3, with 7 PDs. Those are the guys working that middle level, making it difficult for QBs... Ryan Kerrigan, Luke Kuechly, Akeem Ayers, Bryan Urlacher, D'Qwell Jackson, Paul Posluszny, & Curtis Lofton. Had Cushing played all year, he probably would have had 11.

At the same time, had Dobbins been used more in pass defense, he most likely would have had more than 4, Ruud as well.

So.... looks like Wade has the players, or has had the players to do what I'm looking for, he just chooses not to.... & he picks up players that are basically carbon copies of one another... Mays looks like Sharpton to me.

& that's ok. I'll stop looking for that coverage LB just like I stopped looking for that space eating NT a long time ago.
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The Texans ILBs had 12 PDs; the Broncos 5

The Steelers and the Cards both had 7.
Didn't the Broncos run a 43 last year?
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Broncos fans are unanimously happy to see him gone. Maybe he will be their version of Jacoby and prove them wrong
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The Texans ILBs had 12 PDs; the Broncos 5

The Steelers and the Cards both had 7.

The Jets had 3, the Chargers had 8.

The Packers 4, the Ravens 8, Redskins 11, Cowboys 6

These are the 3-4 teams that I had looked at so far.
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It's not that I doubt your info, it's that I'd like to know which guys did what. So I need the raw data.
I use Advanced NFL Stats for the Data and Wiki for players' positions.

Almost get to the end, and no team had more PDs than the Texans.
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The Broncos were like the Texans; they used the 34 as the base D and switched to the 42 in nickel
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Yeah.... I don't think Mays improves our team in this dept.

I did a quick look at ESPN Stats. Looks like Dobbins got 4 PDs, Reed got 3 PDs, Brian Cushing got 2, & Ruud got 2 PDs

I may have missed it, but I'm sure Barwin got at least two as well.. though his & Reed's would include batting balls down at the LOS, which is different as it says nothing about their ability in coverage.
Per the ESPN Texans' stats link, Barwin had 5 PDs. That's the most on the team for a non-DB not named J.J.Watt.
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If I were Wade, I might just turn Mays loose to demolish the opposing QB and leave Cush in pass coverage.
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The Colts had 9, and the Chiefs 4.

That's it.
In conclusion, the Texans ILB corp led the league in PD last year.
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Almost get to the end, and no team had more PDs than the Texans.
Between you and TK the data mining I had planned to do has been done. The bottom line appears to be that no other team's ILB set has done any better than the Texans' bunch did last year; even with Cushing out for most of the year.
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