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Old 07-29-2013   #181
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Day 4 First Look video: http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-medi...6-f2b35ce5243e

Sportscenter is at camp today




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On Sam Montgomery, as I feared, the word I'm getting is that his boot is "hiding" a high ankle sprain. If so, he is unlikely to be able to return to the field in any capacity before 6-8 weeks..........and at that time will be high risk thereafter for recurrent problems.
If that's the case, that is disappointing to hear.
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Re: John Harris report.

Technically, we are not supposed to be reporting on what we see specifically on the side rehab field.

As it relates to Ed Reed, I've heard everything from optimism to pessimism in the way he is currently moving. Harris' view (I talked to him) was as pessimistic as I heard from anyone. Personally from my observations, I think it is hard to say one way or another without knowing how long he has been doing the running activities. I did not expect him to be moving that well--don't know where his speed, ability to cover is.
Anyone who listens to his show know where he stood on the Reed FA signing?

Harris isn't the most objective guy in the world. So, it wouldn't surprise me if he's trying to justify his take on the issue more than reporting anything substantial.
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Kubiak said that #Texans defense will be working some on read option stuff soon as part of process of installing the defense

Ed Reed busted me watching his rehab. "You want to work out too!" "No sir, I'm good." /IMO his rehab says nothing now about his return date.

Asked Schaub if fans should be concerned with Fosters return. He didn't seem concerned at all. Said no games now.

Schaub: Expectations for Hopkins "through the roof." Will get many opportunities, very skilled. #Texans
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@PayneNFL: Undrafted rookie OLB Willie Jefferson continues to flash on pass rush. Very athletic, but laaaaanky. 6'5" 233.

Quessenberry had some rough run downs at guard, with Terrell McClain driving him deep into backfield.

Mercilus pulled up with some kind of strain pursuing downfield on a pass play. Stayed in pads but was held out.

Trevardo Williams' size is hurting him at this point. Gets swallowed up. Gonna have to be much more violent.
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Rookie safety DJ Swearinger was apparently goaded into freestyling on command for tv cameras. Heard it was pretty good. #Texans

Schaub says he has no hard feelings toward LB Joe Mays who bloodied his ear w/an illegal hit last year. #Texans brought Mays in for a visit.

"Willie's went from 5th team to 1st team in about a month," Gary Kubiak, with a smile about Willie Jefferson. #Texans

Whitney Mercilus suffered a hamstring injury today. Kubiak isn't too concerned about its seriousness. #Texans

Darryl Sharpton got an injection this morning and they'll evaluate him further on Wednesday. #Texans
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"He talks to me every day about regular life and on-the-field stuff and I take it in every day and I appreciate it." - Swearinger on Reed

I started to notice Jared Crick yesterday but he started to turn some more heads today. #TexansTalk

Ben Jones has looked much better than I expected him to. Trevardo Williams is really struggling out there. #TexansTalk

J.J. Watt is obviously really strong. Brandon Brooks looks like the only guy with a chance against him in pass rush drills. #TexansTalk

Here are some observations from today's practice: Willie Jefferson continues to look good. He's really quick. #TexansTalk

"Obviously, y’all know we’re talking to him. He’s out there, he’s free." -- Kubiak on Joe Mays, who the Texans brought in for a visit

Darryl Sharpton told reporters he injured his groin training but expects to be back in two or three days. #TexansTalk

"Whitney’s got a little hamstring strain we don’t think it’s very serious so we have to evaluate him." -- Kubiak on Mercilus #TexansTalk

"Yeah, we actually gave Darryl and injection yesterday. He’s feeling much better." Kubiak on Sharpton #TexansTalk

Sharpton got an injection yesterday. Came in with a groin injury.

Graham might be back by mid week.

Mercilus has a hammy strain
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#Texans morning session: Mercilus slight pull of a hammy, Quessenberry looking good, Watt is too good for any1 now that there's contact

Q: thigh pads different? "I don't know. I didn't measure them." Q: Thinner? "I'll compare them when I get in the locker room." - Schaub

"We're going to get him plenty of 1-on-1 coverage and chances to get the football and we're going to get him the football." Schaub on Hopkins

Kubiak down played Mercilus' hamstring injury. He stayed at practice icing and getting stretched out. Came up lame chasing a receiver.

Schaub said the #texans do have the pieces to get to the Super Bowl.

Schaub said Andre Johnson doesn't get looks in redzone is bc of coverage. said "it's not like we're not trying to get the ball to him"

Whitney Mercilus pulled up with a sore hamstring in practice
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Rookie David Quessenberry strong on offensive line in pads today. Good looking athlete working at guard and tackle. Veterans impressed.
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Andre, JJo, Owen and Antonio Smith were all healthy onlookers of practice today. #Texans

Talked to Garrett Graham today was feeling "much better" after being out with a virus. Was his first appearance at camp today.

Ben Jones is being asked to play two positions. When he gets a chance to play one spot he will get even better. #Texans

Still feels like the #Texans are trying to figure out Quessenberry's best position.

No secret why the #Texans signed Greg Jones. Some ILBs today found out why. #Texans

Trevardo Williams has some work to do as a pass rusher. Two days in a row where he struggles with moves. #Texans

Ben Tate looks like a new person out there. He has a great ability to make the first defender miss. #Texans

TE Adam Schiltz gave the safeties some issues today in coverage. He was able to work and catch some nice passes for big yards

Some serious competition at the defensive line behind the first five. Muir, Jones and McClain have all had good starts at camp. #Texans

Rookie NT Chris Jones has good ability to Russ the passer. He showed it again today. Pads have helped Jones. #Texans

Jared Crick looks good and has taken one of the bigger steps in play from year one to two. He looks much more fluid and can move.

Matt Schaub and DeAndre Hopkins are getting more in tune in the passing game. He threw a nice post route to Hopkins in stride.

Brice McCain had a solid day. Looked good in coverage and no signs of his foot injury slowing him down. #Texans

Derek Newton is moving well and moved the pile in 9 on 7 run drill. Him and Brooks can move the line of scrimmage. #Texans

Brooks constantly works against Watt in pass protection. Watt gets the best of him but Brooks has shown some promise of slowing him down.

Danieal Manning caused Cierre Wood to fumble. Wood tried to jump a pile and Manning stripped the ball with Jamison recovering it.

2 things for Willie Jefferson will decide his fate. How he will hold up against the run and if he can do it against real NFL OTs. #Texans

Willie Jefferson keeps making a positive impression. His pass rush skills are natural, even tests Duane Brown to give him good work. #Texans

T.J. Yates has continually improved his mechanics. He has tighten up his delivery and velocity has gotten better #Texans

NT Terrell McClain stole the show today. Constant disruption for the offensive line. #Texans

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Well, heck.

I went from having a lot of hope about our OLBs to my only hope resting on a UDFA.

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Hopefully Merciless is fine. Can't afford injuries to the LB corps...
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Well, heck.

I went from having a lot of hope about our OLBs to my only hope resting on a UDFA.

I was worried before camp but now its almost downright frightening.
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If that's the case, that is disappointing to hear.
Indeed, but also maddening. I mean this was the knock on the guy. Yes, I realize that anyone can roll an ankle, but if he wasn't in prime condition, couldn't that make it more likely to incur an injury?

Just looking at some of the reports from guys like J Harris, T Chick, Marc V and others - I'm really encouraged with the secondary. Harris says it's the best he's ever seen it as a group, and he specifically called out Kareem Jackson.

As a major detractor of Kareem's I'm more than happy to eat that big ole plate of crow. He doesn't have elite speed, and I still think he is average at best on the deep routes, but CB is also about anticipation, instincts, and ball skills. And he has really developed in all those areas and he mirrors guys very well on the short and intermediate routes. The mental side of his game has gone from bad to terrific in a short span. And if these reports are true, he may take another step this year from good #2 to great #2, and that could possibly put the Texans top 2 duo in the running for best 1 and 2 combo at CB this year.

I was kind of excited when we signed AJ Bouye as a UDFA, and I've also heard very good things from him early in camp. If Carmichael and Harris don't get it together in a hurry, one of them might be shocked that AJ beat them out. Probably a bit of a longshot but he's the guy I'm keeping an eye on in preseason, although over TV CB is hard to evaluate other than on balls thrown his way. We'll see.

On the bad side, I'm more worried than ever about the pass rush. We need someone at OLB that can be a demon and one or two others that can give the QB fits at times as well, and early reports are troubling. I mean are we really going to place all our chips on Willie Jefferson? I think he has some clear upside if camp reports are true, but he is very raw and he is thin. Teams will be able to shove him around imo. Montgomery is a zero who may end up on IR, T Williams has no moves and is slow off the ball (per J Harris), one guy is in Philly, Merciless hasn't been great either, and Reed is more suited for ILB to me and isn't a great rusher. Not terrible, but not a demon. Who is going to step up for this team?
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Disappointing. How do players generally prepare or get conditioned to avoid that kind of injury?
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If that's the case, that is disappointing to hear.
Predisposing factors for ankle sprains in general include poor core and lower limb (hip to ankle joint) muscle tone/strength, poor athletic conditioning that is commonly associated with being overweight and having poor balance or coordination. All of these factors contribute to ankle instability and must be the focus of the rehab. In addition, a high-arched foot can also increase the risk of ankle sprains and must be taken into consideration as far as adjusting footwear.

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~5-10 % of all ankle sprains are high ankle sprains
~50 % of athletes have a recurring ankle sprain
~40 % of athletes have long-term ankle instability after a severe sprain

Keep in mind that although I gave Montgomery a potential 6-8 week "return," he would obviously not be considered "football ready" at that time. This type of injury can be quite unpredictable. I have seen a good share of severe high ankle sprains that were not ready to return for several months(I'm sure that you Rey have seen this same scenario). Furthermore, if it is severe and conservative treatment fails, surgical screws would need to be placed....with at least an additional 12 week rehab before considering back to "field activities".....like weight-bearing (walking).

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(I'm sure that you Rey have seen this same scenario).
Actually I have...I had a bad ankle sprain in high school that still bothers me at times.

I was out for a couple of months at the time...was on crutches for a while...Luckily I had my injury in march or april...Lots and lots of rehab...

But has there been any word on how severe his sprain was?
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Surprisingly good coverage from ESPN on Live at Texans camp on Sportscenter. Interviews (so far) w Kubiak, 80, Cush, Schaub, and JJ.
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Actually I have...I had a bad ankle sprain in high school that still bothers me at times.

I was out for a couple of months at the time...was on crutches for a while...Luckily I had my injury in march or april...Lots and lots of rehab...

But has there been any word on how severe his sprain was?
Sorry, no. But a high ankle sprain is a severe ankle sprain by definition. He didn't go for immediate surgery, so we can pretty much rule out that there was a displaced fracture associated with it. Being in a boot at this time would not distinguish the remaining two possibilities of stable vs. unstable ankle (+ or - undisplaced fracture). Unless actual detailed truthful reporting is available or x-rays, at this point no way to tell the difference, since both may be treated conservatively initially.

EDIT: I should specify that the terms "stable vs. unstable" above refers to the extent of separation of the tibia from the fibula due to tear of the connecting ligaments. Any ankle sprain in the loose sense lends itself to some "instability."
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On the bad side, I'm more worried than ever about the pass rush. We need someone at OLB that can be a demon and one or two others that can give the QB fits at times as well, and early reports are troubling. I mean are we really going to place all our chips on Willie Jefferson?
I agree. With all the mobile QBs we're going to be facing, we're going to have hell. We need these smaller athletic guys to put pressure on the QB as he escapes the pocket, so he's not just lobbing it to open defenders. We need him to be "worried" someone is going to catch him & put a hurt on him.

That was one of our problems in 2010, we could chase the QB out of the pocket, but our DLmen couldn't keep up with the QBs. They could juke & lose them in the backfield..... & we had to rush Cushing to stop it.

I'm not against using Cush that way again, but he can't do everything.
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Sorry, no. But a high ankle sprain is a severe ankle sprain by definition. He didn't go for immediate surgery, so we can pretty much rule out that there was a displaced fracture associated with it. Being in a boot at this time would not distinguish the remaining two possibilities of stable vs. unstable ankle (+ or - undisplaced fracture). Unless actual detailed truthful reporting is available or x-rays, at this point no way to tell the difference, since both may be treated conservatively initially.

EDIT: I should specify that the terms "stable vs. unstable" above refers to the extent of separation of the tibia from the fibula due to tear of the connecting ligaments. Any ankle sprain in the loose sense lends itself to some "instability."
If the typical timeframe indicates that he'll be on the PUP after 7/31, then there's a good chance he'll be IR bound.
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The typical timeframe indicates that he'll be on the PUP after 7/31, so there's a good chance he'll be IR bound.
IIRC, he can't go on to the PUP if he didn't start TC on the PUP and stay on the PUP. The fact that he practiced for a few snaps before getting hurt means that he's not PUP-able for the season.

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Hopefully Merciless is fine. Can't afford injuries to the LB corps...
If we sign Mays, then Reed is definitely back at OLB.
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Sharpron hurt his groin riding dolphins? Was he joking?
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Sorry, no. But a high ankle sprain is a severe ankle sprain by definition. He didn't go for immediate surgery, so we can pretty much rule out that there was a displaced fracture associated with it. Being in a boot at this time would not distinguish the remaining two possibilities of stable vs. unstable ankle (+ or - undisplaced fracture). Unless actual detailed truthful reporting is available or x-rays, at this point no way to tell the difference, since both may be treated conservatively initially.

EDIT: I should specify that the terms "stable vs. unstable" above refers to the extent of separation of the tibia from the fibula due to tear of the connecting ligaments. Any ankle sprain in the loose sense lends itself to some "instability."
Doc, is the fact that he finished that afternoon's walkthrough any indication as to the severity of his injury? Assuming that letting him do that was the right medical decision at the time.
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Doc, is the fact that he finished that afternoon's walkthrough any indication as to the severity of his injury? Assuming that letting him do that was the right medical decision at the time.
Truthfully, I don't know what can be made of that..............there's a reason it's called a "walking boot."
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Not doubting Doc at all, but I'm not seeing any report of a high ankle sprain. I mean is this official, or thru the grapevine or what? If it is a HAS, then I'm not so sure we shouldn't just IR Montgomery. Our 3rd picks are turning out to be crap - at least this year. You at least figure 3rd rounders will be good depth in their first yr and/or maybe good ST guys. Looks like they are zero's at this point.

The plus side is I'm really liking all of the others top to bottom, and I think we may have multiple gems in the 6th rd.
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