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Old 07-28-2013   #161
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Live from #Texans training camp tomorrow is ESPN Sports Center. They've begun setting up


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Smith said that Willie Jefferson really impressed him on 1st day of pads in o line / d line drills. #texans

Antonio Smith said Earl Mitchell has the quickest first step of anyone on the D line. Said he also brings a ton of power with it. #texans
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...Chick said they'll monitor how successful each RB is w/ their touches. Said he's hoping all goes well w/ both & they can use them that way

I asked Chick if he wanted to get Ben Tate more involved coming off of Arian's heavy workload:...

On Dennis, he also said that a change of pace back is a matchup you like to have. A guy that can give you big plays in spot occasions.

Chick Harris says he likes Dennis Johnson as a halfback from the running & receiving standpoint. Good quickness, vision, instinctive player.

On Cierre Wood he said he can slash inside, press the holes, bounce, & has good speed to bounce outside.

Last bit of tweets from camp for today. I spoke with Texans' running back coach, Chick Harris after practice.
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Antonio Smith, when asked to pick one guy who stood out in pass rush, picked UDFA OLB Willie Jefferson.

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The Sideline View's John Harris is "not buying" FS Ed Reed (hip surgery) will be ready for Week 1.
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Harris noticed Reed "wince" doing backpedal-and-turn drills on a side field, and says he "didn't look comfortable doing anything other than running straight ahead." Harris no longer even believes the Texans' goal is to have Reed back for Opening Day. They may consider anything Reed offers in 2013 a bonus
HOUSTON TEXANS' TRAINING CAMP THOUGHTS: DAY THREE
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Emptied Notebook: Day 3 of Texans Training Camp

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*The following is a random assortment of quotes, oddities, scattershots and interesting tidbits from Sunday's training camp practices.

-The team wore ‘shells’ on Sunday for the first time during training camp. ‘Shells’ is short for ‘shoulder pads’ and ‘helmets’. Because the team was in shells, practice was a bit more physical than it had been the first two days of camp.

-At one point during the outside portion of the morning work, while the offense and defense were broken off into position groups, the specialists went through an interesting drill. Punters Shane Lechler and Andrew Shapiro, along with kicker Randy Bullock and long snapper Jon Weeks, fielded tennis balls from special teams assistant Bob Ligashesky. Taking turns, each player would start around mid-field and run toward the north end zone, and Ligashesky would fire a grounder for the specialist to field.

-For a few moments during the outside portion of the morning practice...

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I was lucky enough to get to go to Saturday's morning practice. Sorry these are late.

Schaub was the only one to run on to the field. Everyone else walked.


Willie Jefferson is one tall man. Wonder what Coach Joe is telling him here?



Glad he's not pointing at me.



Pain is coming to town.



Jefferson interception drill.
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Cush looks good in lateral drills.


Reed looks huge.


Maybe Yates looked good in 11 on 11. But in the 1 on 1 drills he didn't throw on catchable pass. Here's Hopkins trying his best.


Again Yates makes it impossible for the receiver. Good job by Harris. Jean made the tackle.
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Dre and JJoe fighting for position.


Martin looked good. Keenum dropped it right in.


Hopkins caught this pass from Schaub.


The right stuff?
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I love this forum. Good updates, guys.
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From John Harris' report linked above. It appears that Willie Jefferson is this year's Lestar Jean.

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Or it is over analysis. Get serious. There have been a few reports of one of the best LTs in the NFL stymying a 2nd year OLB so the OLB is doing poorly. Somebody has to win. People would be all chicken little if Merciless was beating Brown.
You need to get real. When you have several people watching practice and all saying that a guy needs to get better and looks ineffective there's usually a reason for that.

You're not very good at this football stuff IMO.

One on ones tilt in favor towards the defense as far as pass pro goes. Willie Jefferson had no problem beating brown on a play. Did people freak out about that? No. Also, merciless Went against quessenberry and lost. Then the coach pulled him. Is quess an all pro? Maybe kollar needs to get real for pulling him.

As a pass rusher you should at least be flashing sometimes. You act like the damn team mom sometimes.
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LOL Rey - back to your poor rhetoric tactics. If you have no real response you just accuse people of having no football knowledge. It's rather pathetically predictable.
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LOL Rey - back to your poor rhetoric tactics. If you have no real response you just accuse people of having no football knowledge. It's rather pathetically predictable.
Yep. That's all that was there.

Oh....LOL?
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It's past time for the Texans to look for new team physicians. TheDr.'s ineptitude never ceases to amaze me. I've got a feeling if Brennan Williams situation had been handled properly, (Surgery before OTA's) he would've been ready for week1. Now it's likely he will spend the season on the IR. Or contribute very little at the least.

This is just another example of the Texans medical team screwing up.
I'm not the Texans, I don't manage multi-million dollar assets. But if it were my kids, I'm opting for non-invasive treatment first.

I know the Texans is a business, but it's nice to know they're still people who care about people.
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I am personally reluctant to tweet too much about specific player performance. Unless it is off the charts good or bad.

Because people over read stuff.

Lots of stuff going on. People see things differently.

Fans want news. Media wants to give news. However, the problem is that most camp stuff is not news.
I agree. All this "one on one" stuff is interesting, but means very little in a game, especially on the OL where we combo block a lot, our guys normally set up the angles in their favor, or the offense has to "worry" about the unknown..... is that guy coming or not?

This should be about the about the basics. Can you see the athleticism, how are their feet, their balance? Is there any burst? Fast twitch or slow twitch? Does he get frustrated? Does he give up? Does he give you any lip?



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I think it is legit to go, hmmm Connor Barwin lots of snaps to replace, very little proven stuff.

But on quality of OLB play, we really won't know until real games.
Well, we had plenty of opportunity to see Mercilus on the field last season. Barwin was almost non-existent but they still thought he deserved more snaps than Whitney. Braman couldn't get on the field, even after Reed got hurt. (I know he got some snaps)
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Re: John Harris report.

Technically, we are not supposed to be reporting on what we see specifically on the side rehab field.

As it relates to Ed Reed, I've heard everything from optimism to pessimism in the way he is currently moving. Harris' view (I talked to him) was as pessimistic as I heard from anyone. Personally from my observations, I think it is hard to say one way or another without knowing how long he has been doing the running activities. I did not expect him to be moving that well--don't know where his speed, ability to cover is.
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You need to get real. When you have several people watching practice and all saying that a guy needs to get better and looks ineffective there's usually a reason for that.

You're not very good at this football stuff IMO.

One on ones tilt in favor towards the defense as far as pass pro goes. Willie Jefferson had no problem beating brown on a play. Did people freak out about that? No. Also, merciless Went against quessenberry and lost. Then the coach pulled him. Is quess an all pro? Maybe kollar needs to get real for pulling him.

As a pass rusher you should at least be flashing sometimes. You act like the damn team mom sometimes.
Um.

There's a ton of reps that happen at practice over multiple days. I would not over emphasize any one report. Nobody covering practice is everywhere all at once. That is why they have video cameras everywhere for the staff.

It is also difficult to guard against group think among media members at camp because everybody talks together. I must confess a lot of times when I read that X media member is high or low on a particular player, I look to see what they are seeing and am not seeing it.

So, yeah, I could likely point out good and bad plays of just about every player of the team at each individual practice because no one, even J.J. Watt consistently wins every play.

For much of the pass rush stuff, I strongly believe that we won't get a better sense of things until real games with real lineups.
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As it relates to players I am specifically encouraged about, here's the list:

Quessenberry--Getting asked to do a ton, and doing well at it. Texans appreciate that ability.

Hopkins, Martin, Bonner--With Hopkins and Martin you can see the future some. Andre looks like all man, per usual. Scary collision in camp around the ball yesterday, Andre still caught it. (nobody looked to be hurt).

Quarterbacks--Encouraging looking in practice. Ahead of last year. Would like to see workmanlike efficiency during preseason.

Tight Ends--Really like how Ryan Griffin has been doing work while Graham out. Good hands. Both AJ and OD have midseason type chemistry with Schaub.

Running back competition--Tate looks good. I'm not worried about Foster. He looks good training on side field, I want them to hold him out as long as they want. For the other running backs, it is all about pass pro.

With much of the defense, too early to say. They can't tackle.

Specifically, just because Swearinger talks, doesn't mean he can play. Too early to say. He's on my wait and see list.

Manning, JJo, KJ look like they should be playing right now.

Brennan Williams has a nice Oline shape, but is very behind on basic footwork stuff bc he missed time. Coach is in his ear the whole time.

I got to run off to camp now, but I will keep checking in this thread to answer specific stuff.
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There's a ton of reps that happen at practice over multiple days. I would not over emphasize any one report.
In my initial post I noted that it was early.

I'm not over emphasizing anything. I simply stated what the reports stated in my on terms.

That said, the pass rush isn't a camp concern. They struggled getting pressure off the edges last year. The final determination of this years pass rush won't be until the season is over. But as a fan, I want to see some encouraging signs from our primary edge rushers. Note, I never said our pass rush is doomed this year because of some not so shiny early reports. Again, I noted specifically, "it's early".

But just my football take on things, pass rushing is one of the easiest things to look at in practice and see if a guy's got something there. Not the be all end all, but you can tell if a guy has got something. Those situations are much harder for the OL whereas the passing stuff with just WR and DB's is harder on the DB's.
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Quarterbacks--Encouraging looking in practice. Ahead of last year. Would like to see workmanlike efficiency during preseason..
I read this as womanlike efficiency at first and I was like "zing!!"
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As it relates to players I am specifically encouraged about, here's the list:

Quessenberry--Getting asked to do a ton, and doing well at it. Texans appreciate that ability.

Tight Ends--Really like how Ryan Griffin has been doing work while Graham out. Good hands.
Where is Quess getting reps?

I have a huge concern if we lose OD or GG to injury, so good to hear about Griffin.
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On Sam Montgomery, as I feared, the word I'm getting is that his boot is "hiding" a high ankle sprain. If so, he is unlikely to be able to return to the field in any capacity before 6-8 weeks..........and at that time will be high risk thereafter for recurrent problems.
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On Sam Montgomery, as I feared, the word I'm getting is that his boot is "hiding" a high ankle sprain. If so, he is unlikely to be able to return to the field in any capacity before 6-8 weeks..........and at that time will be high risk thereafter for recurrent problems.
Disappointing. How do players generally prepare or get conditioned to avoid that kind of injury?
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