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Old 07-23-2013   #141
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The Texans obviously take being in shape seriously. They just cut Harris for not being in shape. They publicized Brooks weight woes...And now this...

Shape up guys.
Had me worried there for a minute... thought you were talking about Brandon Harris.
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As I wrote in the "Ratliff" thread, conditioning tests the way they are used are essentially worthless.
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The Texans obviously take being in shape seriously. They just cut Harris for not being in shape. They publicized Brooks weight woes...And now this...

Shape up guys.
That triceps tear may have been the problem. It was never characterized as to tendon, muscle, musculo-tendinous, or tendon to bone tear........nor as to complete or partial. Most of the aforementioned tears can be expected to heal after rehab and after surgery both. But some, especially a significant percentage of those treated by rehab only fail and never regain pre-injury strength, or go on to re-injury or ultimately to surgery. There was no mention of Harris having undergone surgery following his tear. If he has had lingering problems with the triceps, upper body mass and strength would be very difficult to regain or maintain, accounting for an "out of shape" appearance. Furthermore, a nose tackle would be essentially worthless without being able to maintain strong triceps.
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Had me worried there for a minute... thought you were talking about Brandon Harris.
Me too. I just broke a fingernail (J/K) googling.
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Hmm, dude better get his crap straight. The Kubiak doghouse lasts a long time

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Nobody's going to get him right. He's the only one that can do that. You would think that he would have done that by now.........but he hasn't. Indeed, very disappointing.
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I like that Swearinger is already comfortable telling guys to step up...

As far as Montgomery goes, this isn't a great sign. Sounds like he has some maturing to do.

It's not like the coaches checking to see if he's in good shape is a pop quiz.
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Back during the draft when that Strength coach's note talking about selfish players who weren't working hard was passed around, I didn't pay that much mind. From what I'd heard, Montgomery missed a single workout and the guy put that up there. But, from what I'd heard, Montgomery hadn't missed any workouts since then.

BUT.

This is very troubling.

I expect the leaders of our team to light a fire under this guy's ass but it's still very troubling.
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I like that Swearinger is already comfortable telling guys to step up...

As far as Montgomery goes, this isn't a great sign. Sounds like he has some maturing to do.

It's not like the coaches checking to see if he's in good shape is a pop quiz.
Yup, and that's bad news for him from what I've gathered over Kubiak's tenure. Foster didn't see the field until the end of the season. A season where our running game was horrible. Hope he's able to get his mind right. Otherwise, we can scratch him off the depth chart for most of this year.
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Yup, and that's bad news for him from what I've gathered over Kubiak's tenure. Foster didn't see the field until the end of the season. A season where our running game was horrible. Hope he's able to get his mind right. Otherwise, we can scratch him off the depth chart for most of this year.
I was expecting a 4-man OLB rotation with Reed and Williams on the strong side and Mercilus and Montgomery on the weak.

But now... I'm expecting a 3-man OLB rotation with Williams backing up both strong and weak... unless Braman steps up.
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I was expecting a 4-man OLB rotation with Reed and Williams on the strong side and Mercilus and Montgomery on the weak.

But now... I'm expecting a 3-man OLB rotation with Williams backing up both strong and weak... unless Braman steps up.
Agreed. I painted a pretty bleak picture. There's a very good chance he gets right quick, but it's not looking great.

I've heard some very good things about this Jefferson cat. He'll be one of my key focuses throughout camp.
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I think Braman was already ahead of those guys unless they proved to be better. When Reed was playing inside, Braman was starting outside.

I always expected Braman to be in the rotation this year unless the two rookies proved to be really good.
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We've got very little information about what the actual issue was. We're letting our imaginations run wild here.

This just might be a little push saying, "We know you've got what it takes to be great, we need you to be great this year."

What he's been doing so far could have been great for 80% of the teams in the league for all we know & we're just telling him we expect better.
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We've got very little information about what the actual issue was. We're letting our imaginations run wild here.
We don't know for sure, but we have several reports of him not being in good enough shape and then we have three teammates coming out and not only not denying those reports, but making comments that seem to support it's validity.

You have Swearinger saying that Montgomery is on the "list" and that he basically told him to get it in gear...You have Watt saying something about helping him get his stuff together...And then Antonio comments that it's better than it happened now rather than later.

I think at this point it's pretty much confirmed that he was not in shape.
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Back during the draft when that Strength coach's note talking about selfish players who weren't working hard was passed around, I didn't pay that much mind. From what I'd heard, Montgomery missed a single workout and the guy put that up there. But, from what I'd heard, Montgomery hadn't missed any workouts since then.

BUT.

This is very troubling.

I expect the leaders of our team to light a fire under this guy's ass but it's still very troubling.
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We don't know for sure, but we have several reports of him not being in good enough shape...
The only report I've seen saying he was out of shape was one from McCain. The guy with less access to the Texans than Bud Adams.

Then someone else posted here that the Texans don't even use a "conditioning" test.

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and then we have three teammates coming out and not only not denying those reports, but making comments that seem to support it's validity.

You have Swearinger saying that Montgomery is on the "list" and that he basically told him to get it in gear...You have Watt saying something about helping him get his stuff together...And then Antonio comments that it's better than it happened now rather than later.
True, I'm still trying to figure that out.

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I think at this point it's pretty much confirmed that he was not in shape.
You ever hear of anyone described as "hard-headed"?

That's me. Not dumb, not slow, but a severe distrust of anyone not me.
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As I've said before conditioning tests are usually worthless. We are not the only team that doesn't use formal conditioning tests. Some only use them if you've missed OTAs and mini-camps. Many are given in air conditioning. Most that are given, are performed without pads and other equipment. Physicians and trained personnel can pretty well tell if a player is in or out of shape upon basic examination and testing that does not entail so-called formal "conditioning tests."

BTW, I would trust John McClain to be a connoisseur of recognizing "out of shape."
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