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Old 07-22-2013   #121
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What? He couldn't FIND the Cheetos?

Rookies may come to rookie orientation, minicamps and OTAs out of shape. But by the time TC comes around, they know exactly what is expected of them.

Maybe if Montgomery hasn't been able to understand NFL standards by now, he should have stayed at LSU and taken a couple more English courses.
Jacoby Jones checked in "out of shape" and he sure was an active guy this off season. The guy didn't kill anyone, calm down.
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Rookies show up out of shape to camp all the time because they are not used to NFL standards. It's not like he sat on the couch eating cheetos all summer.
No, he was here for workouts begin on April 15, OTAs on May 20-21, 23 and 28-30 and June 3-6, and mandatory mini-camp from June 11-13. Showing up at this point unable to pass the conditioning test is akin to saying the dog ate my homework.

Word to the wise...this is not the group of players you want to be known as a part of.
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No, he was here for workouts begin on April 15, OTAs on May 20-21, 23 and 28-30 and June 3-6, and mandatory mini-camp from June 11-13. Showing up at this point unable to pass the conditioning test is akin to saying the dog ate my homework.

Word to the wise...this is not the group of players you want to be known as a part of.
It's really not as big a deal as you are making it. This happens all the time, and he'll be back on Friday.
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It's really not as big a deal as you are making it. This happens all the time, and he'll be back on Friday.
Shouldn't happen to a 3rd round pick with a real opportunity to start in the NFL.
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Tania Ganguli of the Chronicle tweeted...
"#Texans didn't comment on Montgomery, but word is he reported out of shape. They hope to have him Friday."
At least he's consistent. That's kinda been a knock on him from day 1 and his collegiate time. Kubes will beat "learn to be a PRO" into him or he won't survive.
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It's really not as big a deal as you are making it. This happens all the time, and he'll be back on Friday.
I think we'll have to wait and see. Some guys just don't work out well, but they are still great players.

Some guys don't work out well, and they suck because of it.


You have to be in some level of shape to play football and if Montgomery wants to play for an NFL team he needs to be at whatever minimum level the team sets. Brandon Brooks got it...Now he needs to get it.

Although I've acknowledged that some guys play good whether they are built like a stone carving or like a twinkie, I'd rather have guys in tip top shape because I believe they will even further enhance their performance.

So while it might not be a big deal...It kind of is. This is his profession now. He's getting paid a lot to do this. This shouldn't be an afterthought for him. Staying in shape and not showing up ready to go is not getting off on the right foot.
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You guys need to simmer down & let him do what he wants. signed Trevardo Williams.
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I'd like a little more info on what "out of shape" meant.

Is this the Texans putting their thumb on a guy they think might be a problem? Nip it in the bud kinda thing?

Or has he been hitting the spam & rice a little too hard?
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I'd like a little more info on what "out of shape" meant.

Is this the Texans putting their thumb on a guy they think might be a problem? Nip it in the bud kinda thing?

Or has he been hitting the spam & rice a little too hard?
I'm not sure if we know the exact reason as to why he was put on the NFI list. Speculation at this point.

And, eww on the spam
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I'd like a little more info on what "out of shape" meant.
He was put on the non-football injury list. There's two possibilities for this:

1) He has a non-football related injury, or
2) He did not pass the team's conditioning test.

A conditioning test is typically a group of timed wind-sprints.
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I hope its just a situation of his back keeping him from working out like he needed to over the summer. He's a very engaging guy and I want him to succeed. The thing is some guys just don't get it when it comes to preparation and keeping themselves in peak condition all the time. Andre comes off as the kind of guy who would never have a condition problem if you tested him at any point in the offseason. It would be nice to sit back 5 years from now and laugh at all the speculation, but none of us know what's going to happen or what drives this guy.
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I hope its just a situation of his back keeping him from working out like he needed to over the summer. He's a very engaging guy and I want him to succeed. The thing is some guys just don't get it when it comes to preparation and keeping themselves in peak condition all the time. Andre comes off as the kind of guy who would never have a condition problem if you tested him at any point in the offseason. It would be nice to sit back 5 years from now and laugh at all the speculation, but none of us know what's going to happen or what drives this guy.
If you remember, Montgomery originally came into rookie mini-camp "out of shape," then subsequently surfaced with the back problem. I would almost rather have heard that he was lazy, which may or may not be correctable, rather than find out for whatever reason he has developed a lingering back problem ala Shaun Cody............which could have been brought about by an initial "laziness."
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He was put on the non-football injury list. There's two possibilities for this:

1) He has a non-football related injury, or
2) He did not pass the team's conditioning test.

A conditioning test is typically a group of timed wind-sprints.
So we're most likely over reacting.
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Jacoby Jones checked in "out of shape" and he sure was an active guy this off season. The guy didn't kill anyone, calm down.

Now THERE'S a fine example of maturity!
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If you remember, Montgomery originally came into rookie mini-camp "out of shape," then subsequently surfaced with the back problem. I would almost rather have heard that he was lazy, which may or may not be correctable, rather than find out for whatever reason he has developed a lingering back problem ala Shaun Cody............which could have been brought about by an initial "laziness."
You're right and being a doctor I'm sure you know which would be the lesser of 2 evils in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if its not a chronic issue and just a tweak that he suffered it should essentially be a non-issue moving forward right?
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You're right and being a doctor I'm sure you know which would be the lesser of 2 evils in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if its not a chronic issue and just a tweak that he suffered it should essentially be a non-issue moving forward right?
Correct. However, the least bit of inattention to being totally in shape can cause, create chronicity of that problem, and promote progression to more serious back problems. Remember that many disc problems begin with weakened muscles meant to support the alignment of the vertebrae. Once misalignment occurs, not far behind come the serious disc problems. Muscles spasms should be considered equivalent to the canary in the coal mine. Keeping in shape is not an option for an NFL player that hopes to stay in one piece during an entire season. It's hard enough to do so when you put everything you have into it.
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He was put on the non-football injury list. There's two possibilities for this:

1) He has a non-football related injury, or
2) He did not pass the team's conditioning test.

A conditioning test is typically a group of timed wind-sprints.
On 610 SportsRadio they just said Texans do not have a conditioning test...
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On 610 SportsRadio they just said Texans do not have a conditioning test...
Welp, there's the reason we fall apart towards the end the season.







I do think they have specific weights they're supposed to maintain.
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On 610 SportsRadio they just said Texans do not have a conditioning test...
As I wrote in the "Ratliff" thread, conditioning tests the way they are used are essentially worthless.
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The Texans obviously take being in shape seriously. They just cut Harris for not being in shape. They publicized Brooks weight woes...And now this...

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