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Old 07-22-2013   #21
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While Schaub has never been the "athletic" QB, I can't remember him looking as pudgy or out of shape as he did last season. At one point, I thought he was a new candidate for the BRO.

Not sure if this is accurate or not, or if it would even have to do with anything related... But I am hoping to see a Schaub that hit it hard in the gym this off season, something he was probably unable to last off season.
I can get on board this one.

Seeing how he lived in a Rascal for most of the offseason prior to 2012, should have been expected.
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We won 13 games in 2012.


Are you telling me we had no holes on our team?
Actually, we only won 12 games in 2012
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Actually, we only won 12 games in 2012
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Actually, we only won 12 games in 2012
I believe he was including the post-season.
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I believe he was including the post-season.
Which was in 2013. Har, har, gotcha
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So, the question is still the same. Did we or did we not have holes on our team? Did Schaub compensate for our offensive deficiencies or not? Foster had a good season, but our run game wasn't as potent as it needed to be & our receivers catch rate (including Foster) took a giant step back.

Still, Matt threw for 4000 yards, basically with one WR.
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Which was in 2013. Har, har, gotcha
What about the PREVIOUS post-season?

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What about the PREVIOUS post-season?

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Flacco may have had a somewhat sub-par season, but he got it done in the playoffs when it mattered. You have to give him credit for that, otherwise the alternative would be the unforgiveable here in H-town: crediting someone like Jacoby Jones for the SB ring (and yes he did play a part in it much to your dismay).
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This last draft not ideal for QBs.

The good news is that if you were developing a QB from scratch, you could do worse than Kubiak as coach.

Look around league at all the teams that trade for promising QBs and fail. I think Schaub is the only modern trade that has resulted in a +4000 yard paaser.
I don't know of a QB that Kubiak has developed from scratch, but I would like to see him get the opportunity.

Are Young, Farve, and Trent Green not modern? If not I'm feeling very old.

Trent Green might be the best comparison to Schaub`s career thus far. He put up good stats and got the Chiefs into a couple of playoffs. Injuries led to a sharp decline in his play. We will see what turn Schaub's career takes.
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Look at Andrew Luck winning a ton of games with a horrible o-line. He made Vick Ballard, TY Hilton, Lavon Brazil and Dwayne Allen borderline All Pros because he made them better.
Just want to point out that Luck also had Reggie Wayne to throw to, and even then the Colts were, what, 8-0 in games decided by a touchdown or less? Luck is legit but that team is due for some regression given how flukey they were.
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Flacco may have had a somewhat sub-par season, but he got it done in the playoffs when it mattered. You have to give him credit for that, otherwise the alternative would be the unforgiveable here in H-town: crediting someone like Jacoby Jones for the SB ring (and yes he did play a part in it much to your dismay).
Go back & look how this started. The thought was thrown out there that Flacco is a better QB than Schaub & they used Flacco's play-off numbers as proof.

His play off numbers were better than Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady's, Peyton Mannings, & Drew Brees (since he didn't play). Are we going to say Flacco is better than those guys?

No.

Matt Schaub has consistently put up "elite" type numbers, Flacco hasn't. I think Schaub understands the game, his offenses, opposing defenses, & his team... more than Flacco does.

Remember back when there was a lot of noise coming out of Baltimore, how the defensive players were "relieved" that the offense will finally carry their own weight?

Ever remember anything like that in Houston?

I guarantee you, Flacco's offensive coordinator will come under fire within the next two years.
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Only one thing actually matters when it comes to judging an NFL Quarterback's performance....

Does he make players around him better???

In Schaub's case the answer is a resounding 'NO'. He is a weak link on the offense that has to be compensated for by great players that bail him out. Good NFL QB's have the reverse effect. They make plays off-schedule, improvise and instill confidence into the offensive unit. Schaub accomplishes none of the above and counts on his teammates to make him look adequate.
I'm not saying Schaub does make the players around him better, but what's your reasoning for believing he doesn't do this? I don't see any evidence that back up this case.

On offense, we only have ONE big acquisition... and that was Andre Johnson. Sure, you can argue Duane is one too, but we all know he was a big reach at the end of the 1st round. So who gets credit for making 4th round pick OD, cheap FA Wade Smith, cheap trade Chris Myers, UDFA Arian Foster pro-bowlers? Who gets the credit for making Duane Brown the best LT in the game? Were all of these guys simply underrated and Rick Smith is brilliant? Does the coaching staff get all of the credit?

How about the players that left? Did they get significantly better since supposedly Matt Schaub has been bringing them down? Briesel got a big contract to leave, but just had a horrible season with the Raiders. Winston was regarded as one of the best RTs in the game, but was just cut by the Chiefs after one season. Kevin Walter's best seasons are easily with the Texans. David Andersen couldn't stick with another team after he left the Texans.

Then there's Jacoby Jones and Joel Dressen, whom have left for better QBs. Did their production go up? Not really, still about the same.

So here's my question... where's the proof he makes the players around him worse???
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All the yards in the world won't convince me Schaub is any good, his TD to INT ratio speaks volumes, not to mention the eye test when you watch him. BUT I am a realist and understand he is our BEST option as of now. But we need to figure out our future FAST.
His TD:INT ratio isn't a good measure of how good a QB is. Everyone knows Kubiak is going to prefer trying to run the ball in the end zone.

Plus, his TD:INT ratio last season was still better than Luck, Stafford, Vick, Cutler, Romo, Cam, Dalton, and Eli. He was also only 2 picks worse than Flacco. Of all QBs last season that started more than 10 games, his TD:INT ratio is ranked 10th. Not that bad actually.
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See, this is me. I call into sirius and I've said this a million times. To me, a qb in todays game have to be about to compensate for what the team lacks. A team can't be built with a qb who needs everything humming to win. Just rattle off the last 10 superbowls winning qbs and u will find holes on those teams,but the qb made up for it. I'm with team building,but u can't hide ur qb. There will be 5 plays in a game that are solely made by the qb. I've seen too many times when the 5 plays were not made. So unless the defense turns into the 2000 ravens,the line morphs into the hogs,aj goes back 6 yrs,daniels turns to sharpe,and the other wr turns into aj part 2,I don't think u can win a superbowl with schaub.
This is exactly what everyone was saying about Flacco before last season.
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See, this is me. I call into sirius and I've said this a million times. To me, a qb in todays game have to be about to compensate for what the team lacks. A team can't be built with a qb who needs everything humming to win. Just rattle off the last 10 superbowls winning qbs and u will find holes on those teams,but the qb made up for it. I'm with team building,but u can't hide ur qb. There will be 5 plays in a game that are solely made by the qb. I've seen too many times when the 5 plays were not made. So unless the defense turns into the 2000 ravens,the line morphs into the hogs,aj goes back 6 yrs,daniels turns to sharpe,and the other wr turns into aj part 2,I don't think u can win a superbowl with schaub.
Big deal, I don't even need to dig deep.

Tell me why Brady couldn't win it this year.
Tell me why Peyton couldn't.
Tell me why Rodgers couldn't.
Tell me where Eli was.
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Big deal, I don't even need to dig deep.

Tell me why Brady couldn't win it this year.
Tell me why Peyton couldn't.
Tell me why Rodgers couldn't.
Tell me where Eli was.



Because Flacco is better than allz them btches.
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Only one thing actually matters when it comes to judging an NFL Quarterback's performance....

Does he make players around him better???

In Schaub's case the answer is a resounding 'NO'. He is a weak link on the offense that has to be compensated for by great players that bail him out. Good NFL QB's have the reverse effect. They make plays off-schedule, improvise and instill confidence into the offensive unit. Schaub accomplishes none of the above and counts on his teammates to make him look adequate.
In games Andre Johnson misses, the Texans passing game still holds up relatively well, compared to other type flight wrs missing games.

This indicates:

- Schaub keeps the team going. He still makes due with what he has and isnt as reliant on star talent as it seems.

- Its all Kubiak's system. System coach with system QB who isnt given room to "improvise

Or A little of both. Schaub may or may not be decent on his own, but whats it matter if his improvising is reigned in and his defiences are masked? Schaub doesnt have Peyton Manninv pull to deviate into his own play style so itll always be kinda difficult to see the "raw Schaub" ability
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I don't know of a QB that Kubiak has developed from scratch, but I would like to see him get the opportunity.

Are Young, Farve, and Trent Green not modern? If not I'm feeling very old.

Trent Green might be the best comparison to Schaub`s career thus far. He put up good stats and got the Chiefs into a couple of playoffs. Injuries led to a sharp decline in his play. We will see what turn Schaub's career takes.
You are old.



But your larger point is well taken.

Ultimately we can all agree that there have been many more catastrophic failures with QB trades than even reasonable successes.

And a number of Kubiak QBs had best seasons with him...but also there's been some Orlovsky sort of ugh.
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