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Old 07-17-2013   #21
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Cushing has always been referred to in the past as a "workout warrior." In the past this has translated to equivalent performance on the field. Unfortunately, under the circumstances, this term cannot automatically be assigned as having the same relationship to his expected ultimate level of return. How many "workout warriors" have not lived up to translation on the field? Cushing has a long road to hoe, and the odds are against him reaching his max short of the 9-12 month point, and possibly up to 1 1/2 - 2 years. And then returning to the "old Cush" is more hopeful than realistic at this point. Reality is frightening enough..........without at least half way being prepared for it. Let's all stay hopeful for now..........but not unprepared for a pinch of reality should it rear its ugly head.
I'm going to disagree with the definition of "workout warrior" used here in relation to Cush. For me at least, a "workout warrior" is a player that looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane, a player who has big numbers on tests like they run in the combine but who can't translate those numbers into performance on the field. I've never heard of or considered Cush a workout warrior by that definition.

He's a gymrat.

Totally different thing.

What I've liked about what I've seen of Cush's training is that it involves a lot of the powerlifting techniques and approaches I'm used to and comfortable with supplemented with a lot of the power training plyometrics that great OL coaches like Dr. Mel Siff were so enamored with for improving athletic performance and explosiveness. He's got a more informed approach than you see most people use.

That was what killed David Boston. He had all the talent and potential in the world. He became a gymrat but instead of using a lifting approach that improved performance, he used one that increased size, one that didn't really translate to the field. So he got big and ripped and awesome looking but... he slowed down and lost his speed and agility.

When you're that kind of gymrat, it's hard NOT to lift. It's hard NOT to push the rehab to the point where it loses effectiveness. I trust Cush and his coaches to make the right choices in how to both satisfy his workout addiction AND limit the stressors that they place on that injury so that it's within healthy bounds. Box Jumps could be an example of a way to work out and maintain explosiveness without putting too much of the wrong stress on the knee.

At least, that's the way I'm choosing to look at it.
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I'll go back to what I've said before. The #1 reason found in studies for setbacks was pushing rehab to beat the expected 9 to 12 month time period. Seated 52" box jumps under controlled conditions look impressive, but with it solid lateral stability is demonstrated to only a modest extent. Cutting in full speed, sustaining violent hits to the knee straight on or from the sides repeatedly will be the only ultimate tests. Cushing has always been referred to in the past as a "workout warrior." In the past this has translated to equivalent performance on the field. Unfortunately, under the circumstances, this term cannot automatically be assigned as having the same relationship to his expected ultimate level of return. How many "workout warriors" have not lived up to translation on the field? Cushing has a long road to hoe, and the odds are against him reaching his max short of the 9-12 month point, and possibly up to 1 1/2 - 2 years. And then returning to the "old Cush" is more hopeful than realistic at this point. Reality is frightening enough..........without at least half way being prepared for it. Let's all stay hopeful for now..........but not unprepared for a pinch of reality should it rear its ugly head.
Do you think the Texans med staff will outfit him with a brace for stability?
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from my knowledge braces to prevent or protect the knee post acl reconstruction dont really do a lot. because for it to work properly it would have to removal lateral movement and obviously in sport lateral movement is a must
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Trainer for the Texans was on Texans radio yesterday. From the clip I heard, he said that Cushing is doing well. That the players who are motivated and have a great work ethic tend to do the best with rehabilitation. FWIW.
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from my knowledge braces to prevent or protect the knee post acl reconstruction dont really do a lot. because for it to work properly it would have to removal lateral movement and obviously in sport lateral movement is a must

This is a controversial topic with no clear answer. Many players who return to high-level sports within a year of surgery will use a knee brace. No scientific data has shown that using a knee brace will prevent re-injury to the ACL. However, many players may choose to wear a knee brace anyway.
While they may help support the knee when low forces are applied, these forces would not be expected to cause injury to the reconstructed ACL anyway. However, a force that is high enough to disrupt the reconstructed ACL would not be effectively stabilized by the knee brace.

Despite studies showing no true advantage to wearing a brace vs. no brace, including likelihood of ACL re-injury, many aplayers feel more comfortable/"secure" wearing the knee brace upon returning to sports after an ACL reconstruction. At least, it has never been found that there is any real harm caused by wearing a brace. The knee joint was never meant to have any significant contribution to lateral motion, except for stability against any lateral-medial "flex" in the joint, something that a brace in theory for the most part blocks. So, if wearing a knee brace makes the player more comfortable, then it is probably appropriate. The player should just understand that wearing the brace does not change their likelihood of re-injuring the ACL.

Adrian Peterson said decided not to wear a brace once back on the field
because the brace was uncomfortable for him and he felt it would act as a mental crutch and constant reminder of his previous injury.
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I'm going to disagree with the definition of "workout warrior" used here in relation to Cush. For me at least, a "workout warrior" is a player that looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane, a player who has big numbers on tests like they run in the combine but who can't translate those numbers into performance on the field. I've never heard of or considered Cush a workout warrior by that definition.

He's a gymrat.

Totally different thing.

What I've liked about what I've seen of Cush's training is that it involves a lot of the powerlifting techniques and approaches I'm used to and comfortable with supplemented with a lot of the power training plyometrics that great OL coaches like Dr. Mel Siff were so enamored with for improving athletic performance and explosiveness. He's got a more informed approach than you see most people use.

That was what killed David Boston. He had all the talent and potential in the world. He became a gymrat but instead of using a lifting approach that improved performance, he used one that increased size, one that didn't really translate to the field. So he got big and ripped and awesome looking but... he slowed down and lost his speed and agility.

When you're that kind of gymrat, it's hard NOT to lift. It's hard NOT to push the rehab to the point where it loses effectiveness. I trust Cush and his coaches to make the right choices in how to both satisfy his workout addiction AND limit the stressors that they place on that injury so that it's within healthy bounds. Box Jumps could be an example of a way to work out and maintain explosiveness without putting too much of the wrong stress on the knee.

At least, that's the way I'm choosing to look at it.
I agree with you, but agree with Doc also.

Cushings workout regimine will hopefully help in his rehab. But like Doc said you wont really know until the live bullets start to fly.

Boston turned into somekind of roided up freak whose mental problems overcame him. He did retain his straight line speed though.
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Trainer for the Texans was on Texans radio yesterday. From the clip I heard, he said that Cushing is doing well. That the players who are motivated and have a great work ethic tend to do the best with rehabilitation. FWIW.
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Trainer for the Texans was on Texans radio yesterday. From the clip I heard, he said that Cushing is doing well. That the players who are motivated and have a great work ethic tend to do the best with rehabilitation. FWIW.
No doubt that this is true. That's what gives Cushing the best chance to regain the greatest return his body will allow. It's the latter that cannot be accurately predicted.
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I can't wait, man. IMO, he's still the linchpin of our defense. His energy and aggressiveness is essential to our D. To me, he's the difference between a top 15 D to a top 5.

The problem I have is who's pairing up with him? I'm not willing to count on Sharpton for dittly.
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I can't wait, man. IMO, he's still the linchpin of our defense. His energy and aggressiveness is essential to our D. To me, he's the difference between a top 15 D to a top 5.

The problem I have is who's pairing up with him? I'm not willing to count on Sharpton for dittly.
Last year it was Bradie James that was paired with Cushing and everything was pretty much hunky dory. If the Psycho is even at 3/4ths of what he was in the first 7 weeks of 2012 then anything we get from Sharpton will be gravy (And the bar being Bradie James isn't exactly a high bar we're talking about here). You also still have Brooks Reed playing next to him on the other side, and while he's not a sack artist, he's still a decent LB.
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Isn't he the same doc that cleared RGIII to go back into a game repeatedly while it was apparent to all that his wheels were falling off?.........
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Isn't he the same doc that cleared RGIII to go back into a game repeatedly while it was apparent to all that his wheels were falling off?.........
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Isn't he the same doc that cleared RGIII to go back into a game repeatedly while it was apparent to all that his wheels were falling off?.........
Depends on who you want to believe. Shanny? Or the doctor?

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"(Griffin) didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion.

"We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

Yet when asked by news reporters, Shanahan described a conversation with Andrews this way:

"He's on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews. He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in," Shanahan said Dec. 10. "(I said) 'Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?'

'Yeah, he can go back in.'

'Robert, go back in.'

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Depends on who you want to believe. Shanny? Or the doctor?
Well from those two accounts Andrews looks like a liar. During the game they showed Andrews and RGIII going into a small room built onto the sideline and coming out a little while later. Andrews definitely got a chance to look at him.
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Well from those two accounts Andrews looks like a liar. During the game they showed Andrews and RGIII going into a small room built onto the sideline and coming out a little while later. Andrews definitely got a chance to look at him.

Let's not forget the Ravens game where he sustained a "mild" knee sprain. When he came back only after missing ONE game, he came back wearing a huge ROBOCOP-type knee brace used only for serious ligament tears (in this case the lateral collateral ligament). With his apparent gross instability, he certainly did not have a "mild" (Grade I) tear, and he should have never been cleared to return to play short of 4-6 weeks following the Seatle game. I remember when Andrews told USA Today he had "been a nervous wreck" about how fast he "LET" the Redskins rush Griffin back, and going into the Wild Card Game, he was "holding his breath" about the knee's strength.

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"I'm the one that shut him down that day[Seattle], finally," Andrews said. "I've been a nervous wreck letting him come back as quick as he has. He's doing a lot better this week, but he's still recovering and I'm holding my breath because of it.

"He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do, but it's been a trying moment for me, to be honest with you."

After Griffin left the game against the Ravens, backup Kirk Cousins led the Redskins to victory, then started the following week's game — a victory against the Cleveland Browns — when Griffin was inactive.
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Sure, only Griffin could tell how much pain he was in, but only a doctor can best determine when an injury is most likely healed. The decision shouldn't be in the hands of the injured player or their coach. The decision should be in the hands of a doctor—but preferably not one cashing checks from the club.
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Well from those two accounts Andrews looks like a liar. During the game they showed Andrews and RGIII going into a small room built onto the sideline and coming out a little while later. Andrews definitely got a chance to look at him.
Ok. He's still considered one of the most renowned orthopedic surgeons in the Nation. I'm not going to pretend I know what happened with the Redskins, but if he says Cushing's clear after the standard nine months I'm going to trust him.
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Default Re: For those worried about cush's knee...

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX View Post
Ok. He's still considered one of the most renowned orthopedic surgeons in the Nation. I'm not going to pretend I know what happened with the Redskins, but if he says Cushing's clear after the standard nine months I'm going to trust him.
As opposed to the ill-conceived RGIII scenario(s).......and for the fact that also he is not the Texans team physician, I to feel comfortable with his clearance to return to play. Time will tell WHAT return Cushing can show us.
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