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Old 07-10-2013   #481
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You dont need the murder weapon to get the conviction. Real life isnt like TV/Movies where it is all eventually found
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Seems like it to me too. I'm about as far away from a lawyer as possible, but it sure seems like there isn't that "oh, he gone" type evidence. Like the murder weapon, maybe
Don't need that. You don't even need a body. It doesn't even matter if he actually pulled the trigger or not as long as he was the one responsible for the murder.

If there's enough evidence and it's damning, then he's gone.
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Don't need that. You don't even need a body. It doesn't even matter if he actually pulled the trigger or not as long as he was the one responsible for the murder.

If there's enough evidence and it's damning, then he's gone.
Agree and this is how the system works. You take all evidence as a whole to paint the picture. However, juries have minds of their own sometimes...see Casey Anthony.
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Agree and this is how the system works. You take all evidence as a whole to paint the picture. However, juries are totally absent of minds sometimes...see Casey Anthony.
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Albert Breer of NFL Network has passed along the entire affidavit, and it paints a much more comprehensive picture of what Carlos Ortiz said, and when and where he said it.

Basically, Ortiz said everything he knows.

As of Tuesday, June 25, Ortiz was on probation. He showed up that day for a previously-scheduled meeting with his probation officer. When Ortiz got there, he learned that there was another purpose for that day’s meeting.

Investigators provided Ortiz with the so-called Miranda warnings (“you have the right to remain silent . . .”), and Ortiz nevertheless agreed to speak. Both the video and audio were recorded.

Ortiz said that he and Wallace arrived at Hernandez’s home in North Attleboro just after midnight on June 17, 2013. Hernandez and Shayanna Jenkins weren’t home; a babysitter let Wallace and Ortiz into the home.

Ortiz saw “a small and large handgun” in the home, and when Hernandez returned with Jenkins, Ortiz saw Hernandez “carrying a handgun.”

The three men — Hernandez, Ortiz, and Wallace — left the home at 1:09 a.m., stopping once for gas and then picking up Odin Lloyd and traveling back to North Attleboro.

Ortiz told police that, on the drive back, “he overheard Mr. Hernandez state directly to Mr. Lloyd that he was ‘chilling’ with people that [Hernandez] had problems with.” Ortiz said that Hernandez and Lloyd “made up by ‘shaking hands’ and added that ‘it’ was squashed.”

Ortiz then fell asleep. He woke up when the vehicle stopped, and Ortiz saw the other three men — Hernandez, Wallace, and Lloyd — get out of the car “to urinate.”

Ortiz then heard gunshots.

Hernandez and Wallace got back in to the car “without Mr. Lloyd,” and the vehicle “fled” the scene.

Because he had been asleep and stayed in the car, Ortiz didn’t know who had fired the shots, which makes Monday’s report that Wallace told Ortiz that Hernandez fired the shots now more sensible.

When the vehicle returned to Hernandez’s house, Wallace asked Ortiz to get a small gun located under the rear of the driver’s seat. Ortiz got the gun, carried it inside, and gave it to Hernandez.

Ortiz said that he then went back to sleep.

The affidavit confirms that it was Ortiz who told police about the things Hernandez said to Lloyd in the car, but Ortiz’s version as explained in the affidavit differs from the representations made in court by prosecutor Bill McCauley during Hernandez’s arraignment. For example, McCauley mentioned that Hernandez spoke about not being able to trust anyone, and that Hernandez wasn’t upset about Lloyd “chilling” with people Hernandez had issues with but that Lloyd had actually said something to them that called his trustworthiness in to question. Also, McCauley said nothing about Hernandez and Lloyd making up.

Still, if Ortiz repeats his story in court, it will be very hard to overcome the clear and complete picture it paints. While Hernandez’s lawyers surely will try to paint Ortiz as a liar, the reality is that Hernandez specifically asked Ortiz and Wallace to come to Massachusetts from Connecticut. As a practical matter, Hernandez is pretty much stuck with whatever Ortiz says happened, unless Hernandez and Wallace plan to offer an alternative explanation on the witness stand at trial.
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Ortiz saw “a small and large handgun” in the home, and when Hernandez returned with Jenkins, Ortiz saw Hernandez “carrying a handgun.”
Um, honey ... sugar ... babydoll ...

You know you didn't see me carrying any handguns that night, right peaches?

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When the vehicle returned to Hernandez’s house, Wallace asked Ortiz to get a small gun located under the rear of the driver’s seat. Ortiz got the gun, carried it inside, and gave it to Hernandez.
Hey, Carlos, grab that gun and put your fingerprints on it so we can use that against if need be. Yeah, thanks homeslice.
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More questionable occurrences prior to the murder.

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By Will Brinson | NFL Writer
July 13, 2013 10:30 am ET


Aaron Hernandez's in-home security system is a major focus in the investigation into the death of Odin Lloyd. Not only did Hernandez intentionally destroy the system before turning it over to police, but it's believed the system could contain footage critical to the case.

Why did Hernandez have such a complicated security system? According to a police report obtained by the Boston Herald, it was for personal protection -- Hernandez's, fiancee Shayanna Jenkins, told police that "there had been several recent break-in attempts at their residence."

"Shayanna Jenkins further stated that this video surveillance system would allow for the viewing of both the front of their residence as well as the street," the police report reads. "Shayanna Jenkins went on to say that the video surveillance system records and plays the video on their home entertainment system."

There's no telling why Hernandez was, according to his fiancee, the target of multiple break-ins at his house. And it's perhaps telling that he didn't involve the local authorities in the matter of these attempted break-ins (or likely didn't -- surely the police would've known about the alleged break-ins before Jenkins told them if Hernandez had called the cops).

It's even more telling that, according to the police report, Hernandez had a security system expert visit his house in May and show him how to cut off portions of the security system to avoid being recorded.

"He showed Hernandez how to disconnect specific cameras from the recording device," a police report says according to the Herald. "[He] went on to say that he clearly labeled the connections so that Aaron Hernandez could more easily disconnect cameras at locations within his home where and when he wanted to avoid surveillance recordings."

Like almost all the evidence that we've seen in this case, the alleged facts surrounding this police report only present a pile of circumstantial information. But having a series of unreported (?) break-ins that causes you to install a high-powered security system that you get a tutorial on how to shut off at certain times and places ... none of that in and of itself is that damning.
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Former teammates of Aaron Hernandez at the University of Florida, the Pouncey twins, Maurkice (Pittsburgh Steelers) and Mike (Miami Dolphins), wore hats apparently supporting the former New England Patriots tight end at a club Saturday night.
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Both Maurkice and Mike Pouncey's names were mentioned in a 2007 incident report, released by the Gainesville (Fla.) Police Department, from a double shooting in which investigators had wanted to talk to Hernandez -- but Hernandez invoked his right to counsel.
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On TMZ where this picture was first released, they ran a disclaimer that the hats could have been digitally manipulated.

But if indeed the pics are authentic, with the NFL and Goodell watching this Hernandez situation as a terrible embarrassment, the Pouncey brothers should buy another set of caps to wear............one with "DUMB" and the other with "DUMBER"................
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Free Hernandez? Where are they giving out this free Hernandez? I once went looking for some free mumia but I couldn't find any. I guess they ran out?
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On TMZ where this picture was first released, they ran a disclaimer that the hats could have been digitally manipulated.

But if indeed the pics are authentic, with the NFL and Goodell watching this Hernandez situation as a terrible embarrassment, the Pouncey brothers should buy another set of caps to wear............one with "DUMB" and the other with "DUMBER"................

At least they are not wearing another team's hat!!!
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Free Hernandez? Where are they giving out this free Hernandez? I once went looking for some free mumia but I couldn't find any. I guess they ran out?
No they didn't run out. It's free tomorrow. Kinda like the "Free Beer Tomorrow" signs in your local pub, but as we all know, "tomorrow" never gets here! I only fell for (it for) about a year.
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For the second day in a row, authorities searched an area of 128 South, including the concrete barriers, in connection to the murder investigation involving Aaron Hernandez, a source told FOX 25.

Mass. State Police troopers and officers returned to roughly the same area along Route 95 in Dedham Wednesday to resume their search for something they may not have found Tuesday or possibly for something of value.

According to a law enforcement source, the searches are connected to the murder investigation involving former New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez.

Seven investigators were out on the highway between Route 1 and Route 109 in Dedham scouring the area. They walked the shoulder and grass closest to the far left travel lane; however, it was unclear if anything was found.

Authorities believe Hernandez traveled this route on his way back to North Attleboro the night Odin Lloyd was shot and killed. At some time during that trip, authorities suspect a side mirror from Hernandez's rental car came off or was tossed from the vehicle.

Police have not said what they are looking for; however, the Bristol County District Attorney's Office has made two public pleas for help finding the mirror making it clear they want to get their hands on it.

In addition to the mirror, the same law enforcement source said detectives may also be looking for ballistic evidence – evidence that could show a gun was fired from the rental car as it sped down the highway. It is possible authorities could be looking for shell casings or bullets on the ground.
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Now they're convening a Grand Jury for the 2012 Murders. Not looking very good for the boy.
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Posted by Mike Florio on July 23, 2013, 8:50 PM EDT


At a time when a grand jury in Bristol County, Massachusetts likely is closing in on an indictment of former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez for the June 2013 murder of Odin Lloyd, a grand jury in Suffolk County, Massachusetts could likewise indict Hernandez for the July 2012 shooting deaths of Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu.

Two unnamed law-enforcement officials tell Maria Cramer of the Boston Globe that prosecutors have begun making the case to a grand jury that Hernandez should be charged with two more counts of murder.

The process involves evidence only from the prosecution, with no defense presented by Hernandez’s lawyers and a low standard of proof. If the grand jury believes probable cause exists to conclude that Hernandez is guilty, the grand jury can issue an indictment.

Still, few prosecutors seek an indictment unless they believe that the higher standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt can be met at trial.

Absent testimony from one or more persons who witnessed Hernandez fire the shots that killed Furtado and Abreu, the case against Hernandez will be based on circumstantial evidence. That doesn’t mean he’ll be acquitted; still, it’s always easier to prove the case when there’s a witness who can credibly say that he or she saw the defendant do what he allegedly did.
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Probable cause hearing scheduled for today.
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