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Old 06-27-2013   #81
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It all depends on the TE. If the TE is on the right, the Sam will be on the right and the Will on the left; if the TE is on the left, the Sam will be on the left and the Will on the right.
Don't need and probably shouldn't use "right" or "left" in the explanation because it can be confusing when people ask what side of los you mean ? Just say that the SAM is over or across from the TE and the WIL is on the other end. But obviously that's a simple offensive formation, because so many teams (like the Texans) run multiple TE sets these days. Then there's the "MIKE" which is the middle LB and implies that the these 3 acronyms were meant for the 4-3 and not 3-4, strictly speaking.
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Don't need and probably shouldn't use "right" or "left" in the explanation because it can be confusing when people ask what side of los you mean ? Just say that the SAM is over or across from the TE and the WIL is on the other end. But obviously that's a simple offensive formation, because so many teams (like the Texans) run multiple TE sets these days. Then there's the "MIKE" which is the middle LB and implies that the these 3 acronyms were meant for the 4-3 and not 3-4, strictly speaking.
I used the right and left because of the message I was responding to. I was trying to show that the Sam and Will aren't connected to Right and Left.

And you agreed with me.
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Don't need and probably shouldn't use "right" or "left" in the explanation because it can be confusing when people ask what side of los you mean ? Just say that the SAM is over or across from the TE and the WIL is on the other end. But obviously that's a simple offensive formation, because so many teams (like the Texans) run multiple TE sets these days. Then there's the "MIKE" which is the middle LB and implies that the these 3 acronyms were meant for the 4-3 and not 3-4, strictly speaking.
Lots of teams also move that TE around to see what the defense is doing, or to try to force a player into coverage. Even back in the pre Wade days, our LBs didn't flop sides if the TE changed sides at the LOS (if he was put in motion). The Will becomes the SAM, the SAM becomes the Will. The Mike becomes the MO & the Mo becomes the Mike.
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Lots of teams also move that TE around to see what the defense is doing, or to try to force a player into coverage. Even back in the pre Wade days, our LBs didn't flop sides if the TE changed sides at the LOS (if he was put in motion). The Will becomes the SAM, the SAM becomes the Will. The Mike becomes the MO & the Mo becomes the Mike.
That happened "in the pre Wade days"? I din't think we had Mo's back then running the 4/3.

Or did I misunderstand your point?
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That happened "in the pre Wade days"? I din't think we had Mo's back then running the 4/3.

Or did I misunderstand your point?
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What is the story with this guy and will we see him on the field in 2014? I had high hopes for this kid when he was drafted.
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What is the story with this guy and will we see him on the field in 2014? I had high hopes for this kid when he was drafted.
IIRC he needed to learn the position, more aggression and sand in his pants.
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Default Re: 4th round Trevardo Williams De/OLB

Personally, and I've said this before, I think he should be given a shot at ILB. He has the speed and size of an ILB and I think he'd be a better fit than Reed or anyone else we currently have on the roster.

Maybe I'm missing something, but he should've gotten the shot to play inside instead of Tuggle
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Trevardo will get killed inside where he will be forced to take on blocks.

His best bet is to stay outside and get stronger.
Trevardo inside would mean gaping holes in the run game. He'd get completely wiped out of plays.
Hopefully he spent all off season eating and lifting and running.

Reed is a much better option inside since he can take on blocks an not get pushed 20 yards down the field like Trevardo did by 3rd string linemen in the pre season. I think in Crennels 34 Reed is actually a pretty good fit inside...I think in Wade's 34 he'd have been asked to do too much.
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Trevardo will get killed inside where he will be forced to take on blocks.

His best bet is to stay outside and get stronger.
His best bet is to drop a few pounds & try to learn the safety position.

Long shot, but he's too small to play OLB or ILB for Crennel.
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His best bet is to drop a few pounds & try to learn the safety position.

Long shot, but he's too small to play OLB or ILB for Crennel.
Trevardo Williams 6'1" 241 lbs

Roman Phifer 6'2" 248 lbs OLB (4-3)
Teddy Bruschi 6'2" 247 lbs ILB
D'Qwell Jackson 6' 230 lbs ILB
Ben Taylor 6'2" 245 lbs ILB
Matt Stewart 6'3" 232 lbs OLB
Kamerion Wimbley 6'3" 245 lbs OLB
Derrick Johnson 6'3" 242 lbs ILB
Jovan Belcher 6'2" 228 lbs

Would appear he isn't out of line for a Crennel LB or at least is a whole hell of a lot closer than safety.
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Trevardo Williams 6'1" 241 lbs

Roman Phifer 6'2" 248 lbs OLB (4-3)
Teddy Bruschi 6'2" 247 lbs ILB
D'Qwell Jackson 6' 230 lbs ILB
Ben Taylor 6'2" 245 lbs ILB
Matt Stewart 6'3" 232 lbs OLB
Kamerion Wimbley 6'3" 245 lbs OLB
Derrick Johnson 6'3" 242 lbs ILB
Jovan Belcher 6'2" 228 lbs

Would appear he isn't out of line for a Crennel LB or at least is a whole hell of a lot closer than safety.
But that once inch and 5 pounds is oh so important
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IIRC he needed to learn the position, more aggression and sand in his pants.
Yep transition from DE in college to OLB in the NFL. There would need to be some concern about durability if consideration for ILB is given. Williams injured his ankle early on during preparations for the Senior Bowl. He was unable to play in the game . Williams' tender ankle did not seem to stop him from impressing at the combine, where he led all defensive linemen a time of 4.57 seconds in the 40 and a 38-inch vertical jump. Though, when it came time for Williams to work out for scouts again at UConn's Pro day, issues with both his groin and his back limited his ability to post the times he wanted to in the agility drills. Then he went on to sustain a re-injury of his ankle in the preseason that led to the IR. A conversion could occur to ILB, but he will be exposed to potentially greater trauma. I'd be happy if he could stay healthy at OLB.
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I see Williams as a pass rushing specialist at OLB. He doesn't have the size to be an every down player, but he has all the skills necessary to be an edge rusher. I think he would have been better suited being drafted by a 4-3 team and being a Von Miller or Bruce Irvin type passing rushing SLB.
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I see Williams as a pass rushing specialist at OLB. He doesn't have the size to be an every down player, but he has all the skills necessary to be an edge rusher. I think he would have been better suited being drafted by a 4-3 team and being a Von Miller or Bruce Irvin type passing rushing SLB.
He might have put on 5-10 Lbs in the yr since we've seen him. At 6'1 245/250 he should be big enough to play ILB. Do you think he can cover RB's/TE's ?

I do worry about his ankle injuries playing ILB. Once you've hurt your same ankle more than once it's never the same. I know this from personal experience.
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He might have put on 5-10 Lbs in the yr since we've seen him. At 6'1 245/250 he should be big enough to play ILB. Do you think he can cover RB's/TE's ?

I do worry about his ankle injuries playing ILB. Once you've hurt your same ankle more than once it's never the same. I know this from personal experience.
Athletically he should be capable of covering RB's/TE's but doesn't have a whole lot of experience doing so. However, I think his skill set is better suited for edge rushing than for taking on blocks in the middle. I don't know why you would draft a guy with that kind of pass rush ability and move him inside.

Brooks Reed is the guy who should move inside. Williams had more TFL and sacks in his last 2 years of college than Reed had in his entire career. Williams is more explosive and, despite Reed's size advantage, they have the same arm length. Williams brings more to the table as an edge rusher and Reed's bulk would be a better fit for the pounding it will take at ILB.
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Yep transition from DE in college to OLB in the NFL. There would need to be some concern about durability if consideration for ILB is given. Williams injured his ankle early on during preparations for the Senior Bowl. He was unable to play in the game . Williams' tender ankle did not seem to stop him from impressing at the combine, where he led all defensive linemen a time of 4.57 seconds in the 40 and a 38-inch vertical jump. Though, when it came time for Williams to work out for scouts again at UConn's Pro day, issues with both his groin and his back limited his ability to post the times he wanted to in the agility drills. Then he went on to sustain a re-injury of his ankle in the preseason that led to the IR. A conversion could occur to ILB, but he will be exposed to potentially greater trauma. I'd be happy if he could stay healthy at OLB.
Look Doc, don't give us all that medical jibber-jabber! Just tell us what we all really need to know...

"Can Trevardo Williams fill that gaping hole in the training room that Daryl Sharpton's departure has left the 2014 Texans with?"
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"Can Trevardo Williams fill that gaping hole in the training room that Daryl Sharpton's departure has left the 2014 Texans with?"


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Look Doc, don't give us all that medical jibber-jabber! Just tell us what we all really need to know...

"Can Trevardo Williams fill that gaping hole in the training room that Daryl Sharpton's departure has left the 2014 Texans with?"

The "medical Jibber-jabber" in my post that you speak of is an injury history and is there for those that are usually interested in what the basis for my conclusions are. If you read my post again, you will see that I DID answer your question. Daryl Sharpton is an ILB.

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Another way I could answer your question..........Yes, Williiams could probably serve as an excellent ILB replacement for Sharpton on the Texans' weekly Injury Reports.
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