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Old 05-31-2013   #21
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Possibly. Or, and to be honest I haven't cued in on this, they concentrated on both Smith and Watt? More proof showing how poor out OLB play was by not winning one on ones. I know for a fact ( just me re-watching games) that Barwin couldn't win one on ones to save his life. When your OLBs stink like that, opposing Olines would roll protection to our two big boys inside.

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Truth is that both Jj & Antonio were getting double teamed on just about every snap & that's what made the lack of an outside rush unacceptable.
Good points. The rest of the team has to step up to take advantage of those opportunities when J.J. and Smith are both locked up or misdirected out of the play.

Hopefully Cushing comes back in full health and in full force. I really think he will make the difference and give opposing offenses fits trying to defend against him, Cushing, and Smith. OLB's have to be better this year, though, without a doubt.
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Truth is that both Jj & Antonio were getting double teamed on just about every snap & that's what made the lack of an outside rush unacceptable.
^^^ This.

Our OLBs should have been CRUSHING teams. In THIS defense? With the job responsibilities OLBs have in it? With the Ninja and JJ getting the attention they were getting? There was just no excuse for someone not to come free on almost every play except maybe when the offense was in max-protect.
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^^^ This.

Our OLBs should have been CRUSHING teams. In THIS defense? With the job responsibilities OLBs have in it? With the Ninja and JJ getting the attention they were getting? There was just no excuse for someone not to come free on almost every play except maybe when the offense was in max-protect.
I think the staff did not like what they got from outside either considering two draft picks on OLBs. Now that's different than expecting them to just walk into a starting line-up of a play-off caliber team, but the Texans clearly thought that more bodies/talent/production was needed at the spot.
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^^^ This.

Our OLBs should have been CRUSHING teams. In THIS defense? With the job responsibilities OLBs have in it? With the Ninja and JJ getting the attention they were getting? There was just no excuse for someone not to come free on almost every play except maybe when the offense was in max-protect.
Even then, we were seeing RBs & TEs block very effectively against our OLBs one on one & we shouldn't. RBs like to cut block & I know pass rushers hate that.

But put a TE or a RB one on one with Ware or Bloodline & see what happens. I'm not expecting our guys to play like those two on every play, but every once in a while would be nice. There shouldn't be a TE in the league who could stand up to Connor's strength & he kept saying Brooks was stronger. I didn't see it.
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He's freak'n huge




& look at that wingspan, if he could get his body on a TE, he should be able to bench press that guy into next week, of if he could get one of those long arms under his opponents reach, he should be able to swim by them & create enormous separation. Then he can jump over a man from a stand... no running start like he did to get that penalty on special teams.

His performance last year made no sense to me.... a contract year. Maybe his knew coaches will be able to unlock all that God given ability, but for whatever reason, Wade, Kolar, & Hearing couldn't.
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Ive been banging this drum since the off-season began. It seems like a no brainier to extend Antonio to free up space and keep him around longer. DL can play longer so extending him until he is 35 or 36 is not a crazy idea and would allow us to convert a good chunk of this years salary into bonus thus really lowering our cap hit this season.
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Not sure I am fan of this, outside of clearing short term cap space. The Antonio smiths of the world are the type of nice to pretty good players that a team should not want on its cap later in their career.
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Re-signing Smith to an extention is a bad idea, almost of Schaubian extention proportions. Especially with Watt and Cushing FA on the horizon.
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Re-signing Smith to an extention is a bad idea, almost of Schaubian extention proportions. Especially with Watt and Cushing FA on the horizon.
How can you declare this a "bad idea" when no one knows what the numbers (length & $$/yr) will be??

There's no way he'll get a Schaub-level extension (money-level, I mean) because DT/DE hybrids just don't make that kind of $$. The guys over at BattleRedBlog are thinking this level of money...

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With all that in mind, I think Antonio is looking at about a three-year extension worth about $4-5M a year. When added with his current owed money, I think he'll see some of this salary converted into a signing bonus to help cap relief now. The extension I'd lock in at is three years for $13M with $5.75M guaranteed. It's not a crazy number, it's a nice show of loyalty to a hard-working veteran, and it doesn't hinder you from making a cap casualty cut if he declines drastically in two or three years. It's a win-win move on both sides.
That doesn't sound outrageous to me.

...unless you're thinking of low-balling Ninja to set the stage to low-ball Cush and J.J. when their time comes.
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Is this true?

My perception here, as I thought Smith under-achieved last season when J.J. was getting so much attention from opposing offenses. Smith should have had a greater impact as a result. JMO
Smiff was rated 6th/24 3-4 DEs in 2012 and 8th/32 in 2011 by PFF.

He is is much better against the pass versus the run, rated 2nd in both 2012 & 2011.
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Re-signing Smith to an extention is a bad idea, almost of Schaubian extention proportions. Especially with Watt and Cushing FA on the horizon.
It depends on how they structure it.

He's due $9M this year, which is his cap hit. We can turn $6M of that into a signing bonus over 5 years & his cap hit will drop to $4.2M. Over the remaining 4 years, his cap hit will be the $1.2M plus incentives, plus whatever you make his salary. We can cut him after 2 years if need be (but I doubt we'll need to) & it will cost us $3.6M, after 3 years $2.4M, after 4 years $1.2M

I like Antonio & I think he's worth $4-5M/yr against our cap for the next 5 years so I wouldn't have a problem with an extension like that.

Of course, even though I do not like Schaub, I think he's worth the $11M he's costing our cap, which doesn't even put him in the top 10 of QB caphits of 2013.

But we're tied to him for another year..... whaaaaa... 12 wins. 4000 yards. Whaaaa....
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How can you declare this a "bad idea" when no one knows what the numbers (length & $$/yr) will be??

There's no way he'll get a Schaub-level extension (money-level, I mean) because DT/DE hybrids just don't make that kind of $$. The guys over at BattleRedBlog are thinking this level of money...


That doesn't sound outrageous to me.

...unless you're thinking of low-balling Ninja to set the stage to low-ball Cush and J.J. when their time comes.
Why on earth would Antonio sign that deal? He could do much better on the free market next year, assuming he doesn't have a big injury. 4.33m a year average would put him in the range of guys like Ray Macdonald, Mike Devito, Jason Babin and Osi Umenyoria. The 5.75 guaranteed is pretty low, and is less than the salary he supposed to make this year. He could do better than that.

I think if he were to hit the open market right now, he would get somewhere in the range of 3 years 18-20m. He's worth about 6m a year to a 3-4 team, assuming he doesn't take a nosedive this year. He restructured his deal to help the team a couple years ago, and now his 2013 cap hit is a bit higher than it should be. The Texans need a bit more capspace to finish signing rookies, so this is the logical choice to free up some cash. I just hope they don't overpay the guy and regret it for the next 4 years.
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This from Tania Ganguli June 25th basically saying extend Antonio Smith. IMO, we have $3m under cap and no evidence of anyone on radar. Why extend when we do not have to? I like Smith but hopefully one of the younger guys will be ready to go by 2014. Smith's $9m hit would go well to Cush if he gets even that much. We have plenty of time to decide what to do with Brian, especially to allow him to show what he has.

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If they gave Antonio Smith a four-year extension through 2017, they could lower his 2013 cap number significantly just by reducing his base salary to the minimum — $840,000 for someone with eight years experience — and making up the remaining $5.16 million in a signing bonus. He would receive the full signing bonus up front, thus not impacting his cash flow for the year, but the amount of the signing bonus that counts against the salary cap would be evenly split over the length of the contract.

That $3.5 million pro-rated amount from his original contract would still count in his cap number for 2013. But even carrying that number and adding it to the new pro-rated amount and his base salary, the Texans would reduce his cap figure by about $4 million with this plan.
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This from Tania Ganguli June 25th basically saying extend Antonio Smith. IMO, we have $3m under cap and no evidence of anyone on radar. Why extend when we do not have to? I like Smith but hopefully one of the younger guys will be ready to go by 2014.
Maybe because we like him, expect him to keep performing at a high level, and want to keep him on our team for longer?
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Maybe because we like him, expect him to keep performing at a high level, and want to keep him on our team for longer?
Still does not fit for me. Extend him towards end of season to avoid injury impacting a new contract. I am not saying not to extend just no reason to do it now. This is one time I am not willing to push salary to later, at least not until I see how other players do.
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Still does not fit for me. Extend him towards end of season to avoid injury impacting a new contract. I am not saying not to extend just no reason to do it now. This is one time I am not willing to push salary to later, at least not until I see how other players do.
If not now, when? He's a FA at the end of the season. Then we're talking new contract.
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Why extend Smith for Cushng if the $9.5 cap hit from Smith leaves with Smith after this season? Now if they want Smith for longer than this season at lower price, cool but different issue. If afraid of losing Cush we can redo Smith anytime. I am hoping they have another target and it should be substantial.
This is why I added only if the numbers work. I would be OK with seeing how Crick does this year but other than that, the Texans are very, very light at DT depth. Are there any DT draft prospects on your radar, that will be ready to start and available at 32 in the draft, that you have your eye on?
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Justin Smith’s role, age and ability could mean his contract provides benchmarks for Antonio Smith’s extension with the Texans. Both Smiths are skilled 3-4 defensive ends, disruptive and in their 30s. Antonio is 31, turning 32 in October, while Justin is 34.


Consider: Before making this deal, Justin Smith’s salary cap figure for 2013 was $8 million with a $7.5 million salary this season. Now the 49ers cut nearly $4.3 million off his cap figure while leaving his salary virtually unchanged for 2013. They gave him a minimum-base salary of $940,000 with a $6.56 million signing bonus and a $500,000 workout bonus.


Justin Smith’s cap number does rise to $6.737 million in 2014 and $6.237 million in 2015. But that isn’t astronomical. He’ll be paid $4.55 million in 2014 and $3.586 million in 2016 including base salary and roster bonuses, unless he gets released or retires.
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The 49ers got a screaming deal from Justin Smith. Unless he was in danger of being cut (which I highly doubt), Smith gave up free agency in 2014 for 500K. Antonio Smith will not give the Texans that kind of deal.
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Justin Smith also negotiated his own extension. Smith's agent has been there and done this.
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I also question whether it would be wise to have Antonio carrying $6+mm cap hits for the next two years when we have Watt, Cushing and Jackson to re-sign.

With Watt on the d-line we are probably going to have to go bargain basement at the other two positions in order to have a prudent and balanced allocation of the cap.
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Still does not fit for me. Extend him towards end of season to avoid injury impacting a new contract. I am not saying not to extend just no reason to do it now. This is one time I am not willing to push salary to later, at least not until I see how other players do.
It seems that the Texans normally try to wrap up all their deal deals early?!?
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