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Old 05-21-2013   #61
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I don't know if it's so much about "technique" & pass-rush "moves"

When I look at CMIII, Bloodline, I don't think "moves" or "technique"

I think more jeet kune do. Form without form. He maintains ball awareness, then he's got the burst & quickness to get to the ball.
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I don't know if it's so much about "technique" & pass-rush "moves"

When I look at CMIII, Bloodline, I don't think "moves" or "technique"

I think more jeet kune do. Form without form. He maintains ball awareness, then he's got the burst & quickness to get to the ball.
You are right, when he identifies the run he maintains good awareness and does a good job of shedding the lineman and getting in on the tackle. That is why I think he has more strength that a lot of the scouting reports suggest.

The problem is that he does the same thing in thing after his initial outside or inside speed rush is negated due to his lack of countermoves. On his tape he will juke the OL some of the time, not much, when he realizes his initial move is beat but that will not work at the pro level if it is not combined with proper hand usage. He does maintain awareness after his initial speed move is negated but needs to develop more pass rush moves and better hand usage (bad coaching). I believe he will with some good coaching, and when he does he could be really good because the talent is there in spades.

Watch 4:32 to 4:52 in this video. It is of the less talented Travis Long who has some pass rush moves. Too bad he is not very athletic. If Williams had displayed these moves on tape he would not have lasted until the 4th round. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVtju56nqzE

Personally I think he will be a holy terror once he has a better pass rush repertoire.

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I don't think his playing strength is good enough yet.

I think he needs some NFL training on more upper body exercises than just bench press...Bench press is only part of shedding blocks...
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This pick is a lot more intriguing seeing as how through mini-camps and the first few days of OTA's it appears that the coaches believe that Williams is ahead of 3rd rounder Sam Montgomery. I won't say that the OLB position is in shambles, but there is quite a bit of inexperience (But losing two OLB's to high priced contracts will do that) and that is always worrisome.
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I asked him about simultaneously becoming friends with and competing against Montgomery.

“He’s playing a different position now, he’s on the Will, I’m on the Sam,” Williams said. “We both compete in pass rushing, but other than that he’s basically working on honing his skills on that side of the field while I’m working on dropping back.”

"It’s taking some time, a gradual change,” Williams said of starting plays off the line of scrimmage, standing up. “I don’t think it’s completely different than a three-point stance. It takes a lot of balance and building habits. I don’t feel it’ll be a problem, I’ll be practicing it over the next several weeks …

“The big difference is the initial attack. Usually in a three-point stance you have a more explosive attack. In a two-point stance you’re required to use a little more technique, using your arms and your footwork. It needs to be more coordinated. It’s not difficult.”

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I'm confused.

I thought Montgomery was the SAM and Williams was the Will.
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I thought Montgomery was the SAM and Williams was the Will.
Hopefully you are the one who is confused, and Trevardo is the one with a handle on things. For it to be the other way around would be a bad thing.
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Makes sense that TW would be the SOLB....I would not want Mont covering players much at all next year...
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I'm confused.

I thought Montgomery was the SAM and Williams was the Will.
So Sam is not the SAM, and Will is not the Will.

But who is on first?
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I'm confused.

I thought Montgomery was the SAM and Williams was the Will.
I thought Herring said he was going to start Montgomery at SAM, then later teach him the Will. Maybe they're switching it up for TC.
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Makes sense that TW would be the SOLB....I would not want Mont covering players much at all next year...
They'd been saying that Montgomery was going to be the Sam because he could hold the point of attack against the tight ends and be more of a force against the run while Williams, as more of a speed guy, would work on the weak side. At least, that's what I thought I'd heard Herring and Wade say... but... I guess I was wrong.
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So Sam is not the SAM, and Will is not the Will.

But who is on first?
No.

Who is on Second.
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I think of SAM & WILL as the OLB positions in the more conventional 4-3 defense, while with Wade's defense it's very much a hybrid defense with a 3-4 alignment sometimes but others with one or both of the OLBs actually assuming 3-point stances. But because of his greater size and strength it's easy to assume that Montgomery is more suited as the SAM type to be over the TE.
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I think of SAM & WILL as the OLB positions in the more conventional 4-3 defense, while with Wade's defense it's very much a hybrid defense with a 3-4 alignment sometimes but others with one or both of the OLBs actually assuming 3-point stances. But because of his greater size and strength it's easy to assume that Montgomery is more suited as the SAM type to be over the TE.
It's true Wade's 3-4 isn't your run-of-the-mill 3-4. His is a one gap system & it looks more like a 4-3

This is one of those formations you're talking about with one OLB in a 3 point stance & the other standing up.



I wish there were defensive guys here who could explain the whats & the whys of the different formations we use.

Why is Meci Standing up? He's going to rush the passer, we know he's going to rush the passer, why not let him explode out of a 3 point stance?
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I think of SAM & WILL as the OLB positions in the more conventional 4-3 defense, while with Wade's defense it's very much a hybrid defense with a 3-4 alignment sometimes but others with one or both of the OLBs actually assuming 3-point stances. But because of his greater size and strength it's easy to assume that Montgomery is more suited as the SAM type to be over the TE.
IMO, Wade still uses a fairly standard definition of Will and Sam at the OLB positions. The biggest difference is that the Will OLB will line up on the LT more often than the RT, unless it's a left handed QB, and will mostly be used as a pass rusher but will still have to maintain containment on the end. I could very well be wrong, though.
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It's true Wade's 3-4 isn't your run-of-the-mill 3-4. His is a one gap system & it looks more like a 4-3

This is one of those formations you're talking about with one OLB in a 3 point stance & the other standing up.



I wish there were defensive guys here who could explain the whats & the whys of the different formations we use.

Why is Meci Standing up? He's going to rush the passer, we know he's going to rush the passer, why not let him explode out of a 3 point stance?
I'm not a defensive guru but... my guess is that he's making it look like he might take the RB in coverage.

They appear to be in a dime with Quin taking the spot of the other ILB. Normally in that situation, I'd expect Mercilus to have his hand down. BUT... he may actually have coverage responsibilities OR he may just be acting like he does to try to confuse the QB or the RB to bust the blocking scheme.
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IMO, Wade still uses a fairly standard definition of Will and Sam at the OLB positions. The biggest difference is that the Will OLB will line up on the LT more often than the RT, unless it's a left handed QB, and will mostly be used as a pass rusher but will still have to maintain containment on the end. I could very well be wrong, though.
It all depends on the TE. If the TE is on the right, the Sam will be on the right and the Will on the left; if the TE is on the left, the Sam will be on the left and the Will on the right.

And this is one of the problems with our defensive scheme. If the offense shifts and moves the TE from one side to another, our entire defensive line and OLBs have to swap positions. That takes time and energy. And both the Packers and the Patriots took advantage of that to grind our guys down and get them out of position.
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It's true Wade's 3-4 isn't your run-of-the-mill 3-4. His is a one gap system & it looks more like a 4-3

This is one of those formations you're talking about with one OLB in a 3 point stance & the other standing up.



I wish there were defensive guys here who could explain the whats & the whys of the different formations we use.

Why is Meci Standing up? He's going to rush the passer, we know he's going to rush the passer, why not let him explode out of a 3 point stance?

Plenty of great pass rushers have done perfectly well doing it from a 2 point stance.

To me I thought Williams was the speed guy/pass rush type on the weak side and Montgomery was the clean-up strongman on the strong side. Who knows.
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No, Who is on first.
What is on second.
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