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Old 06-17-2013   #121
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2. Jones has better hands than Leach.
Why does this keep getting asserted? Jones is a better open field runner I can understand.
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Why does this keep getting asserted? Jones is a better open field runner I can understand.
It's the offseason. We can't beat each other with any more facts so we might as well
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Why does this keep getting asserted? Jones is a better open field runner I can understand.
I guess I didn't say it as clearly as I wanted. What I mean is he is able to catch the ball a little more easily which enables him to get into his open field running a bit better than Leach. While Leach can certainly catch he is not the same type of open field runner. Jones is a more fluid catcher (i think he was used that way in college too) and can certainly make moves in the open field. Leach is not quite as good, but when he gets the ball will run you over.

I am not sure I would want to sign leach, I was just trying to come up with ways to use him. In a perfect world. I would use the money I would have given leach to resign Winston to play RT...
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I guess I didn't say it as clearly as I wanted. What I mean is he is able to catch the ball a little more easily which enables him to get into his open field running a bit better than Leach. While Leach can certainly catch he is not the same type of open field runner. Jones is a more fluid catcher (i think he was used that way in college too) and can certainly make moves in the open field. Leach is not quite as good, but when he gets the ball will run you over.

I am not sure I would want to sign leach, I was just trying to come up with ways to use him. In a perfect world. I would use the money I would have given leach to resign Winston to play RT...
As much as I disliked Winston, I'd go for this. He's much better than what we have to choose from this year, especially early in the year.
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"I know I can play in this league, and I've got some teams that are courting me," Leach said Friday, according to the Daily Reflector. "In the next two weeks, I know where I'll be playing."

Leach has called a return to the Houston Texans, where he earned his first Pro Bowl selection in 2010, his first choice. He visited with the Miami Dolphins last week. Nearly every team that features a fullback has been connected to Leach at some point in the last week.

"There are a lot of teams out there that want me; about seven teams," Leach said. "Me and my agent are going to take our time and see what's the best fit for me. I'm probably going to play three more years before I hang it up."
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As much as I disliked Winston, I'd go for this. He's much better than what we have to choose from this year, especially early in the year.
I never disliked him, per se, just understood his weaknesses against speed rushers. He's still a better option right now than anything the Texans have ready.

Can we have both?

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I never disliked him, per se, just understood his weaknesses against speed rushers. He's still a better option right now than anything the Texans have ready.

Can we have both?

Probably not. There's about 4 or 5 million reasons a year why Winston isn't currently signed. He's probably also going to actually look in earnest for a job once teams are into TC, so he doesn't have to go through that again.
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I never disliked him, per se, just understood his weaknesses against speed rushers. He's still a better option right now than anything the Texans have ready.
I think Newton was an instant upgrade in pass protection until his injury.

I don't like to "hope" that a guy can return to form when preparing for next year. & being that our new guy is also coming off injury... I really don't like the situation we are in.

Picking up Eric would be nice, we can cross that off the list. But at what cost. I don't think he should play over a healthy Newton. So.... how much money do we want sitting on our bench?

Harris fits that bill. We're not paying him so much that he'll go to waste on our bench. We can cut him before the season starts if Newton & Williams are 100% (which we should know a few weeks into camp).

Worse case scenario, we go into the season with Harris starting & Quiz is our only "healthy" second option. For that to happen, both Newton & Williams has to have major set backs with their injuries.

I think that is an acceptable risk/rewards option & I don't see the point of bringing Winston back.

If I looked at the whole team that way my only concern is NT.

Not because we don't have a big fat guy for the position, but because Eric Mitchell is the only known commodity to me. I don't know any of the back up guys. I've seen Crick take a few snaps there, but I don't think it's a position he can "hold down" if needed.

& Safety. Keo is still too high on the depth chart.
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I think Newton was an instant upgrade in pass protection until his injury.

I don't like to "hope" that a guy can return to form when preparing for next year. & being that our new guy is also coming off injury... I really don't like the situation we are in.

Picking up Eric would be nice, we can cross that off the list. But at what cost. I don't think he should play over a healthy Newton. So.... how much money do we want sitting on our bench?

Harris fits that bill. We're not paying him so much that he'll go to waste on our bench. We can cut him before the season starts if Newton & Williams are 100% (which we should know a few weeks into camp).Worse case scenario, we go into the season with Harris starting & Quiz is our only "healthy" second option. For that to happen, both Newton & Williams has to have major set backs with their injuries.

I think that is an acceptable risk/rewards option & I don't see the point of bringing Winston back.

If I looked at the whole team that way my only concern is NT.

Not because we don't have a big fat guy for the position, but because Eric Mitchell is the only known commodity to me. I don't know any of the back up guys. I've seen Crick take a few snaps there, but I don't think it's a position he can "hold down" if needed.

& Safety. Keo is still too high on the depth chart.
I think I know who you meant.

On the other question, my guess is that Harris/Quiz may very well be the two a RT. I have questions of both Newton and Williams being fully game ready by the beginning of the season. I feel that as far as Winston, his idea of a "home town discount" would run something like 1%....he thinks way too much of himself.
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Every since this story came out, its been on my mind. I REALLY hope they can maneuver some cash around to get him here.
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Please show some of the 2 FB sets used in the NFL last year.
green bay still runs the full house package, and some of the pistol/option teams are using 3 back sets. of course it's usually 2 halfbacks instead of fullbacks, but i could certainly see kubiak doing something like this, especially late in games with a lead.
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I think lack of team success has hurt jones in some regard. Leach is not head and shoulders better than Greg jones.

I think it was Cushing that said he was glad that he wouldn't have to be meeting jones in the hole anymore when playing the jags.
Both of the above statements made because Jones is on the roster.
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Both of the above statements made because Jones is on the roster.
or maybe Cushing actually meant what he said.
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I think I know who you meant.

On the other question, my guess is that Harris/Quiz may very well be the two a RT. I have questions of both Newton and Williams being fully game ready by the beginning of the season. I feel that as far as Winston, his idea of a "home town discount" would run something like 1%....he thinks way too much of himself.
My concern is Williams moreso than Newton. Newton played last year and has some experience. Williams got hurt the first day or two of OTAs. He is WAY behind Quiz and Harris. Considering he is that far behind, I would not be surprised if he is IRed in order to give Quiz and Harris some more snaps. I think we will know in thee first couple of weeks of camp. If they bring in a Winston type at that point it suggests Newton is further behind than indicated. If they don't, perhaps they think Harris/Quiz can hold down the fort until Newton is ready to go.
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Both of the above statements made because Jones is on the roster.
Well thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Has nothing to do with whether the statements are sincere.
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or maybe Cushing actually meant what he said.
Year in & year out, MJD has been among the leagues leading rushers.
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Year in & year out, MJD has been among the leagues leading rushers.
For those arguing that you don't want to spend money on someone who is going to be playing a lesser percentage of plays.

In 2009, MJD's most productive year, Jones was in on only 40% of total offensive plays. Some positions can create great impact with limited appearances.

Leach was on the field for the Ravens ~ 37% of the offensive plays and ~ the same for the Texans..........but the teams were made much better for it.
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John Clayton says we're in on him. Too lazy to grab the quotes from Twitter.

I GUESS they can balance Jones and Leach?
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John Clayton says we're in on him. Too lazy to grab the quotes from Twitter.

I GUESS they can balance Jones and Leach?
Greg Jones only has $240k guaranteed money so it is pretty much guat in the grand scheme.
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I wouldn't mind having Greg Jones for special teams and as an emergency running back, assuming we pick up Leach. It can't hurt to have a back-up fullback like Jones who is versatile and also cheap.
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