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Old 06-16-2013   #101
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If Leach cap could be made right, I'd still like to have both and dump a bench guy at another position. BTW, Clutts is still on roster I believe at $555,000 cap space, non guaranteed with no dead $. Not much but that could go to Leach as part of his deal.
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If Leach cap could be made right, I'd still like to have both and dump a bench guy at another position. BTW, Clutts is still on roster I believe at $555,000 cap space, non guaranteed with no dead $. Not much but that could go to Leach as part of his deal.
I can see both Leach and Jones ending up on this year's roster.........Leach lives here, identifies with the Texans, likely to give a home town discount............and I truly believe that Kubiak is actively pursuing him........wanting him and the creative FB-heavy packages he and Jones could bring with it for critical situations that the Texans had few answers and little success in the past.
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If Leach cap could be made right, I'd still like to have both and dump a bench guy at another position. BTW, Clutts is still on roster I believe at $555,000 cap space, non guaranteed with no dead $. Not much but that could go to Leach as part of his deal.
To me, I feel like the reason we kept CLutts on the roster after we signed Jones, was to run a 2 FB set every now and then. IF we could land Leach, I'm certain we release Clutts, and have a great blocking tandem in Leach and Jones.

When Jones gets tired, get Leach in there, or vice versa.
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To me, I feel like the reason we kept CLutts on the roster after we signed Jones, was to run a 2 FB set every now and then.
Please show some of the 2 FB sets used in the NFL last year.
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It would be interesting to see a variation of the old T-formation.

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We probably still wouldn't PA Fake on 1st Goal w that offense. 3 runs and a FG.
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There's a 6 page thread about a fullback. My god the off season is long!
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There's a 6 page thread about a fullback. My god the off season is long!
And it's gonna seem longer if we get into talking about 2 FB sets. Jiminy Cricket!! A 2 FB set??? Really?? Hell, it might be so crazy it could work a couple of times.
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Hasn't Kubes been keeping 2 FB's of late? Vickers and that other guy both stuck around with Casey. I know the Casey thing was experimental but this isn't a huge departure guys.
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Please show some of the 2 FB sets used in the NFL last year.
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We probably still wouldn't PA Fake on 1st Goal w that offense. 3 runs and a FG.
I dunno.... we've done P/A passes out of three TE sets. Snuck one of the TEs into the flat while Schaub/Foster sells the run. Dreessen used to be pretty good at that in the redzone.

No reason why two TEs and 3 RB sets (with Jones on the end like the third TE and Leach in the backfield) wouldn't totally sell the run fake and get one of the TEs loose for an easy catch.


Heck, maybe Schaub could keep it and bootleg it into the endzone....
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I dunno.... we've done P/A passes out of three TE sets. Snuck one of the TEs into the flat while Schaub/Foster sells the run. Dreessen used to be pretty good at that in the redzone.

No reason why two TEs and 3 RB sets (with Jones on the end like the third TE and Leach in the backfield) wouldn't totally sell the run fake and get one of the TEs loose for an easy catch.


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Jones was a Pro Bowl Alt in '07 and Leach has gone twice. Personally, Pro Bowl FB means to much to me as Pro Bowl ST'er.

Both guys have proven not only a willingness but a desire to block.
I think lack of team success has hurt jones in some regard. Leach is not head and shoulders better than Greg jones.

I think it was Cushing that said he was glad that he wouldn't have to be meeting jones in the hole anymore when playing the jags.
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There's a 6 page thread about a fullback. My god the off season is long!
LOL I had to rep this because I thought the same thing. Six pages on a guy most likely not on the radar just shows how much we miss football.

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Hasn't Kubes been keeping 2 FB's of late? Vickers and that other guy both stuck around with Casey. I know the Casey thing was experimental but this isn't a huge departure guys.
No, we just had Vickers and Casey and that was because Casey wasn't a good lead blocker. There wasn't any other FB and of course Casey wasn't just a FB. Jones and Leach are FB's and nothing more. So I would say it's a bit of a reach especially citing the money equation in it all. It would be something else if our FB was...well...Clutts since he's rather poor at blocking. But we're talking Greg Jones one of the better run blocking FB's in the league.

Just doesn't make sense to invest that type of money in one position that sees the field 35-40% of the time.
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I think lack of team success has hurt jones in some regard. Leach is not head and shoulders better than Greg jones.

I think it was Cushing that said he was glad that he wouldn't have to be meeting jones in the hole anymore when playing the jags.
Good Lord I butchered that post...glad someone was able to make sense of it.

I think they're easily the best 2 FBs in the league. Can't go wrong with either but can we afford a roster spot for a 2nd FB/STer? That would be one hell of a 2 man "wedge", Leach and Jones.
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Good Lord I butchered that post...glad someone was able to make sense of it.

I think they're easily the best 2 FBs in the league. Can't go wrong with either but can we afford a roster spot for a 2nd FB/STer? That would be one hell of a 2 man "wedge", Leach and Jones.
Ooooh... Now THERE'S a very interesting thought...
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Just to clarify, I am not calling for sets with two full backs. I am saying I would like to see a more run dominated offense with Foster/ Tate running behind Jones/Leach.
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Couple ideas:

1. Could Greg Jones become the #2 RB behind Foster and be used in short yardage? A system where Leach makes a hole for Jones would be potentially scary.

2. Jones has better hands than Leach. Could Jones become the safety valve TE/FB option that acts like a blocker and then drops into the flats to get a pass or two?

3. Use a 2 FB set where each FB runs forward and makes a whole one one side of the OL. This confuses defenses since they don't know which hole the RB would go through. This would make the defense flinch for a second or two which could result in an improved running game.
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