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Old 06-16-2013   #21
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You mean those 17 TDs inside the 5 yard line? REAL impressive.

Touchdowns are one of the most skewed stats by the way so you bringing it up is useless. We run a ridiculous amount at the goal line which is why Foster's TDs are so inflated and Andre's TD numbers are so low. Texans' fans should know this by now...


Are you serious? TDs are skewed? You either get them or you don't. You get more than your opponent & you win games. The other team will try to stop you from getting that TD whether you're on the 50 or the 5..... actually they try harder if you're on the 5.

It's ok to think Andre is a better Texans than Arian, but Arian's no chump.
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You mean those 17 TDs inside the 5 yard line? REAL impressive. Did you watch Foster? He can't break a tackle to save his life, doesn't fight for extra yardage, and lacks explosiveness which is why his longest run was 52 yards...He didn't do much in the receiving game either. He falls down if someone lays a finger on him, don't even compare him to Andre Johnson. Andre provided a much bigger impact on offense than Foster did. Touchdowns are one of the most skewed stats by the way so you bringing it up is useless. We run a ridiculous amount at the goal line which is why Foster's TDs are so inflated and Andre's TD numbers are so low. Texans' fans should know this by now...

Andre Johnson >>>> Arian Foster

It's not even a debate.
you're right. it's not.

Look we ALL love A.J. but Foster was responsible for over one third of the TD output (17 of 46) of the whole team during the regular season and two thirds of our TD output in the playoffs (6 of our 9 TDs in four games).

You don't score, you don't win.
How the heck can TDs be over-rated?
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you're right. it's not.

Look we ALL love A.J. but Foster was responsible for over one third of the TD output (17 of 46) of the whole team during the regular season and two thirds of our TD output in the playoffs (6 of our 9 TDs in four games).

You don't score, you don't win.
How the heck can TDs be over-rated?
Cause TDs usually rely on playcalling? How on earth is Andre suppose to rack up more TDs when we basically run every time we're in the red zone? Arian had 17 TDs and yet anybody who actually watched football knows he wasn't even close to being a top 5 RB. Did you guys even watch him? I think he broke 5 tackles...TOTAL for the season. Andre had 1600 receiving yards as the ONLY threat in the passing game and made clutch catches time and time again throughout the season. Arian Foster relies on his offensive line a lot more than other running backs do and that's pretty clear. Is he a scrub? No. Is he a top 5 RB? Nope.

And yes I know scoring points is the main objective but to bring it up as an argument against Andre for Foster is weak considering the way Kubiak calls the plays....Arian's YPC was 4.1 by the way...that's ridiculously weak for an "elite" running back.
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dead zone off season & LZ comes through with his valued insight after OTA's. Have no problems with it & hope Brooks is as good as advertised. RT remains the big question mark but there is always going to be something we can nitpick. At this point it would be wise to keep resting both Brennan & Derek until ready thus Harris will be opening day starter. Should provide adequate stop gap until Newton or Williams win battle as health allows.

After Watt the big three, Andre, Foster & Brown are interchangeable all deserving. Next I would say Cushing, Joseph & Schaub then Manning, Jackson Reed. Would not put punter that high on list, know Hopkins is only a rookie but expect big things from him immediately giving Owen Daniels a run for his money.

After which there is a pretty decisive drop off. LB play/rotation next biggest concern after RT. Brooks could really surprise inside, meaning his ceiling could be higher with move inside than Lance thinks. Mercilus will hold the WOLB position while Sam & Trevardo rotate & compete with each other to improve weekly.

Good article by LZ, agree w/thunderkyss however & choose my unsung Texan not listed in his top 40 as David Quessenberry who could replace Wade Smith (22) by seasons end, now that would be impressive.

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And yes I know scoring points is the main objective but to bring it up as an argument against Andre for Foster is weak considering the way Kubiak calls the plays....Arian's YPC was 4.1 by the way...that's ridiculously weak for an "elite" running back.
In a bad year, Arian had 17 TDs, 1400 yards, a 4.1 ypc avg...... This is his "bad" year.

And as far as throwing it to Andre in the endzone. We've been there, done that, it don't work. Whether it's a Schaub issue or an Andre issue, or a Defense on a short field issue, doesn't matter. We don't do it, because it don't work.

Give the ball to Arian..... that works.
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In a bad year, Arian had 17 TDs, 1400 yards, a 4.1 ypc avg...... This is his "bad" year.

And as far as throwing it to Andre in the endzone. We've been there, done that, it don't work. Whether it's a Schaub issue or an Andre issue, or a Defense on a short field issue, doesn't matter. We don't do it, because it don't work.

Give the ball to Arian..... that works.
HARD TO REALLY SAY IF IT WORKS OR NOT WHEN WE ONLY TRY IT A FEW TIMES A SEASON. Aj IS A BIG GUY, HOW OFTEN DO U SEE THEM JUST THROW IT UP FOR HIM TO GO GET IT ? HE WOULD WIN THOSE BATTLES 8 OUT OF 10 TIMES.
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HARD TO REALLY SAY IF IT WORKS OR NOT WHEN WE ONLY TRY IT A FEW TIMES A SEASON. Aj IS A BIG GUY, HOW OFTEN DO U SEE THEM JUST THROW IT UP FOR HIM TO GO GET IT ? HE WOULD WIN THOSE BATTLES 8 OUT OF 10 TIMES.
While I've seen him go up and get the ball on some occasions an 80% success rate is a pretty bold prediction. No sane offensive coordinator/head coach would turn away from that sort of success rate.

And why are you shouting?
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While I've seen him go up and get the ball on some occasions an 80% success rate is a pretty bold prediction. No sane offensive coordinator/head coach would turn away from that sort of success rate.

And why are you shouting?
haha damn caps. dude we have all seen the hard headed kubiak and his stubborness. i wonder what ajs td redzone rate was with carr compared to schaub. seems like we went to him more in the redzone then than post capers era
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In a bad year, Arian had 17 TDs, 1400 yards, a 4.1 ypc avg...... This is his "bad" year.

And as far as throwing it to Andre in the endzone. We've been there, done that, it don't work. Whether it's a Schaub issue or an Andre issue, or a Defense on a short field issue, doesn't matter. We don't do it, because it don't work.

Give the ball to Arian..... that works.
MSR!!! I'm more interested in points and wins than personal stats. I'd venture to say that AJ feels the same way.
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HARD TO REALLY SAY IF IT WORKS OR NOT WHEN WE ONLY TRY IT A FEW TIMES A SEASON. Aj IS A BIG GUY, HOW OFTEN DO U SEE THEM JUST THROW IT UP FOR HIM TO GO GET IT ? HE WOULD WIN THOSE BATTLES 8 OUT OF 10 TIMES.
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I didn't think this deserved its own thread, so I'm putting it here.

Top 5 Texans: Offense


I'll warn you. It's "slideshow" style.... kinda bleacherReportish, but it's not the BleacherReport.

Another warning...... Andre is not #1, so if you're one of those guys that get bent out of shape if Andre isn't listed as #1, you probably shouldn't look.
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I didn't think this deserved its own thread, so I'm putting it here.

Top 5 Texans: Offense


I'll warn you. It's "slideshow" style.... kinda bleacherReportish, but it's not the BleacherReport.

Another warning...... Andre is not #1, so if you're one of those guys that get bent out of shape if Andre isn't listed as #1, you probably shouldn't look.
I'll go ahead and post the names; you can read the verbiage at your leisure... (or not )
1. Arian Foster
2. Andre Johnson
3. Matt Schaub
4. Owen Daniels
5. The Offensive Line

I did this not to start another ranking discussion but to ask how do you think the list will look after this coming season....

I guess what I'm really asking is do you think Hopkins will crack the top five? Do you think, with A.J., Hopkins, and Keyshawn Martin (and maybe Posey) the WR corps will be the driving force of the 2013 Texans' offense? Maybe they supplant O.D. in importance this year...
What say you?
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I guess what I'm really asking is do you think Hopkins will crack the top five? Do you think, with A.J., Hopkins, and Keyshawn Martin (and maybe Posey) the WR corps will be the driving force of the 2013 Texans' offense? Maybe they supplant O.D. in importance this year...
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I tried to get some numbers on our expectations for Hopkins' I got more coach speech from a bunch of guys who can't stand coach speech.

That said, for Hopkins to get into the top 5, he'll have to change our offense. By that I mean that I believe our offense looks conservative primarily because we've only got one deep threat & secondly we haven't been running the ball like we've quickly grown accustomed to.

Both of those can be attributed to the quality of #2 WR we've got on our team. If Hopkins forces the LBs to play deeper, opening up our run game were we can put up some big plays with the ol' rope-a-dope.... I'm saying yeah.

For that to happen, he's got to have a Torrey Smith type rookie year. 40-50 catches, 16+ avg.
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I'll go ahead and post the names; you can read the verbiage at your leisure... (or not )
1. Arian Foster
2. Andre Johnson
3. Matt Schaub
4. Owen Daniels
5. The Offensive Line

I did this not to start another ranking discussion but to ask how do you think the list will look after this coming season....

I guess what I'm really asking is do you think Hopkins will crack the top five? Do you think, with A.J., Hopkins, and Keyshawn Martin (and maybe Posey) the WR corps will be the driving force of the 2013 Texans' offense? Maybe they supplant O.D. in importance this year...
What say you?
As much as I hope WRs 2-? do well, I think RBs will do better than 2-?
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