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Old 06-04-2013   #121
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I just heard on Texans Huddle that Yates had elbow tendonitis throughout the entire season in 2012. Is this common knowledge? It's the first I had heard of it.

If that's the case, I expect a better performance from him this preseason (though I still think Keenum will win the backup spot).
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I just heard on Texans Huddle that Yates had elbow tendonitis throughout the entire season in 2012. Is this common knowledge? It's the first I had heard of it.

If that's the case, I expect a better performance from him this preseason (though I still think Keenum will win the backup spot).
He was on the Injury Reports for a "right elbow" from the 9th week to the end of the season.
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Why is Yates getting time off during the mini-camp?

HE'S 2ND STRING! He's not a veteran (3rd year), he's not the starter. He should want every single rep he can get.

This only shows (to me) that Kubiak wants Keenum to end up being our #2 QB. Yates shouldn't be taking the day off he should be trying to get better. Get in sync with his new WR's and even help the timing with his current WR's.

Yates sitting out of mini-camp means that he really is fine being our #2 and never trying to start or he has some sort of injury that we don't know about.

I don't believe that Keenum is better than Yates but it makes no sense to have him taking time off. He should be trying to push Schaub.
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Why is Yates getting time off during the mini-camp?

HE'S 2ND STRING! He's not a veteran (3rd year), he's not the starter. He should want every single rep he can get.

This only shows (to me) that Kubiak wants Keenum to end up being our #2 QB. Yates shouldn't be taking the day off he should be trying to get better. Get in sync with his new WR's and even help the timing with his current WR's.

Yates sitting out of mini-camp means that he really is fine being our #2 and never trying to start or he has some sort of injury that we don't know about.

I don't believe that Keenum is better than Yates but it makes no sense to have him taking time off. He should be trying to push Schaub.
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Why is Yates getting time off during the mini-camp?

HE'S 2ND STRING! He's not a veteran (3rd year), he's not the starter. He should want every single rep he can get.

This only shows (to me) that Kubiak wants Keenum to end up being our #2 QB. Yates shouldn't be taking the day off he should be trying to get better. Get in sync with his new WR's and even help the timing with his current WR's.

Yates sitting out of mini-camp means that he really is fine being our #2 and never trying to start or he has some sort of injury that we don't know about.

I don't believe that Keenum is better than Yates but it makes no sense to have him taking time off. He should be trying to push Schaub.
It's interesting to note that McClain yesterday commented that maybe Keenum doesn't make back up QB this year, but he gets the strong feeling from the Texans that they see Keenum, not Yates, as Schaub's eventual successor.
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It's interesting to note that McClain yesterday commented that maybe Keenum doesn't make back up QB this year, but he gets the strong feeling from the Texans that they see Keenum, not Yates, as Schaub's eventual successor.
Kubiak has a history of taking UDFAs and letting them develop into weapons.

Obviously, there's Arian but there's also Rod Smith. Maybe it's time he does the same thing for a QB.

I'm not a Keenum-fan like 76Texan and I'm not expecting this outcome but I wouldn't mind if we get a surprise upgrade at QB.
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Kubiak has a history of taking UDFAs and letting them develop into weapons.

Obviously, there's Arian but there's also Rod Smith. Maybe it's time he does the same thing for a QB.

I'm not a Keenum-fan like 76Texan and I'm not expecting this outcome but I wouldn't mind if we get a surprise upgrade at QB.
UDFA status aside, every QB that's played under Kubiak has had their best years under Kubiak. Something to be said for that.
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UDFA status aside, every QB that's played under Kubiak has had their best years under Kubiak. Something to be said for that.
In part because he chooses and grooms his QBs FOR his system, which in turn is a QB-friendly which can turn a good QB into a very good QB.........and, hopefully, someday can turn a very good QB into an elite QB.
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Im still a big time Yates fan. He is underrated around these parts IMO.
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He also threw is decent TD pass in that half.
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He also threw is decent TD pass in that half.
Not to mention that in the 28+ minutes that Leinart actually played for Kubiak, his passer rating was 110.1, his completion percentage was 76.9, and his TD to interception ratio was not even capable of being defined.
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It's interesting to note that McClain yesterday commented that maybe Keenum doesn't make back up QB this year, but he gets the strong feeling from the Texans that they see Keenum, not Yates, as Schaub's eventual successor.
When I mentioned in a much earlier post that I could see Schaub leaving after 2014 and Yates being traded within next two seasons, I was considered a nut. In that post I mentioned Keenum training behind Matt for next two seasons and Texans drafting a QB 2014, IIRC. Keenum as back up & getting a draft pick for Yates would be awesome then eliminating Schaub's contract would be awesome. Even better if we could get a pick or two for MS.
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When I mentioned in a much earlier post that I could see Schaub leaving after 2014 and Yates being traded within next two seasons, I was considered a nut. In that post I mentioned Keenum training behind Matt for next two seasons and Texans drafting a QB 2014, IIRC. Keenum as back up & getting a draft pick for Yates would be awesome then eliminating Schaub's contract would be awesome. Even better if we could get a pick or two for MS.
I don't EXPECT it to happen. I'm pretty sure it won't... but that doesn't mean I don't think it would be awesome if it did.
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That's how I feel about Keenum. I'll believe it when I see it, but I do want to see it and will keep cheering for him as long as he's on the team.
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IMHO, Keenum has loads more talent than Yates, he just lacks the "tangible" of size. If Keenum was 6'3"+, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He would've gone in the top 3 rounds of his draft class. The ONLY question on Keenum would be the offense he used in college.

I think the "intangibles" of leadership abilities and overcoming the "tangible" of size works in Keenum's favor. I can see him as Schaub's successor more so than Yates.
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IMHO, Keenum has loads more talent than Yates, he just lacks the "tangible" of size. If Keenum was 6'3"+, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He would've gone in the top 3 rounds of his draft class. The ONLY question on Keenum would be the offense he used in college.

I think the "intangibles" of leadership abilities and overcoming the "tangible" of size works in Keenum's favor. I can see him as Schaub's successor more so than Yates.
There were tall defensive opponents for Keenum in college and he was outstanding. Sure NFL defenses will be better but so will Texans offense. Case did not have an Andre to throw to or OD. Nor did he have a Foster to hand off to or Duane Brown blocking. IMO, Case look at this offense and grins. I think as far as leadership, Keenum will bring it all and I will compare him to a Peyton Manning as a field general compared year to year based on experience. It may be crystal ball but two more seasons behind Matt should really season him.
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