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They are chosen to sell jerseys. That's why there is a team called the Nads. It's not out of respect for Nads.
Redskins
Cowboys
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Raiders
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49ers
Packers (<-- that's offensive)
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All need to change their name before someone finds their "mascot" offensive. Throw Cardinals in there too, ya never know with them Catholics.
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A little ot..... not the same thing, but kinda

What do you think about Uncle Kracker? Do you think white folk find that offensive (I'm assuming you're white folk).
I never thought about it at all.

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They are chosen to sell jerseys. That's why there is a team called the Nads. It's not out of respect for Nads.

George Marshall bought the Boston Braves and changed the team name to the more offensive term of "Redskins" out of respect?
Get serious. Like there was some overwhelming anti-Indian demographic when they selected the name which was going to sell more jerseys. That is just ridiculous.

I am sure Marshall was trying to piss off his Indian head coach with a derogatory term.
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I never thought about it at all.



Get serious. Like there was some overwhelming anti-Indian demographic when they selected the name which was going to sell more jerseys. That is just ridiculous.

I am sure Marshall was trying to piss off his Indian head coach with a derogatory term.
Right -- it's just comical to suggest that a pro sports owner in the 1930's didn't respect minorities. Even in 1933, you don't think there were other options besides "Redskins" that might be a little less inflammatory?

Would you support it if we did it here? Say the Texans hired a half Hispanic head coach and McNair made him dress up in a 10 foot sombrero and poncho during games. Then he's sitting around thinking of a new team name for the Texans to honor Texas' Hispanic roots and their new coach:

"Well, we could name them the Matadors, the Warriors, the Vaqueros, or the Wetbacks."
"Hmm... let's go with Wetbacks. that sounds like the most respectful and honorable name."

75 years later, that name would still suck.

George Marshall bought the Redskins in 1932 and owned them until he died in 1969. How many other Native Americans did he honor besides the coach he fired in 1934? What about the other three plus decades, when he was going out of his way to trumpet his racism (playing "Dixie" before the "Star Spangled Banner")? If he was so eager to honor Native Americans he had a great chance to do so -- owning a team where no other race was apparently allowed employment. Why not at least hire Jim Thorpe for PR -- who actually played for the Boston Braves before Marshall bought them?

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Redskins
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Patriots
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49ers
Packers (<-- that's offensive)
Vikings
Buccaneers

All need to change their name before someone finds their "mascot" offensive. Throw Cardinals in there too, ya never know with them Catholics.
More like someone buying the team, changing the name from Cardinals to Mackerel Snappers, and then claiming it was out of respect for Catholics.
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I think the Washington Redcoats has a nice ring to it. It's a minimal change to the existing name, so it should go over well with fans. Just gotta change the maroon to firetruck red.
I was thinking the Washington Terrorists.
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My 2 cents...until the state of Oklahoma changes it's name, the Redskins should not change theirs. Redskins is offensive but red people isn't?
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But I guess my opinion doesn't count because ...
You're not cultural. At least I didn't read anything that indicates otherwise.

I'm sure there are cultural Indians who don't agree with me. Their opinion absolutely matters to me.
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I voted Yes, only because I understand the offensive nature that native American can claim.

Saying that though, if the Redskins were to change their name, then at the very least, I feel like the other Native American themed teams should change their name. That's a lot of trouble to go through, spanning over every major league in the country.

So, it should be changed based on the offending nature to Native Americans, however, I don't think it will be changed. If it was, it would have already happened.
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After reading what Yvette has to say, I can see where some would be offended.

At some point in time though, we have to get past this racial crap and realize we are all one species. Some humans will never understand this however. Narrow-mindedness is something we humans excel at. And we use this against each other while we champion our own version of the "truth".

We are so good at that crap its a wonder we still exist.
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I was thinking the Washington Terrorists.
Uh.. I think the idea is to go politically correct.

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A little ot..... not the same thing, but kinda

What do you think about Uncle Kracker? Do you think white folk find that offensive (I'm assuming you're white folk).
No.

OTOH, isn't that the name for people from Florida?

OTOOH, I didn't even know kracker was supposed to be a derogatory term until I was into my 30's.
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The Washington Asshats

Their mascot
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They are chosen to sell jerseys. That's why there is a team called the Nads. It's not out of respect for Nads.

George Marshall bought the Boston Braves and changed the team name to the more offensive term of "Redskins" out of respect? Come on -- at BEST it's a draw as to which name is more inflammatory, and I'm pretty sure on a scale of 1-10 Redskin falls way further down than Braves.

BTW George Marshall was the last guy in football to integrate his team, even when they were a disaster through the 1950's. There's evidence that he was a major force behind the NFL's sudden resegregation in 1933, the year after he bought the Braves. He expressly ordered in his will that his foundation not spend any money on “any purpose which supports or employs the principle of racial integration in any form." He made his "respected" coach dress up in Indian war dress for games. You think Belichek would tolerate that?
Good information.

I don't really understand the respect angle....There are a few reasons mascots/team names can be chosen...
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Right -- it's just comical to suggest that a pro sports owner in the 1930's didn't respect minorities. Even in 1933, you don't think there were other options besides "Redskins" that might be a little less inflammatory?

Would you support it if we did it here? Say the Texans hired a half Hispanic head coach and McNair made him dress up in a 10 foot sombrero and poncho during games. Then he's sitting around thinking of a new team name for the Texans to honor Texas' Hispanic roots and their new coach:

"Well, we could name them the Matadors, the Warriors, the Vaqueros, or the Wetbacks."
"Hmm... let's go with Wetbacks. that sounds like the most respectful and honorable name."

75 years later, that name would still suck.

George Marshall bought the Redskins in 1932 and owned them until he died in 1969. How many other Native Americans did he honor besides the coach he fired in 1934? What about the other three plus decades, when he was going out of his way to trumpet his racism (playing "Dixie" before the "Star Spangled Banner")? If he was so eager to honor Native Americans he had a great chance to do so -- owning a team where no other race was apparently allowed employment. Why not at least hire Jim Thorpe for PR -- who actually played for the Boston Braves before Marshall bought them
Another good post.

Seems that Marshall may have chosen the team name to create a carnival/side show type atmosphere around his team. Doesn't seem like it came from a place or respect at all.
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Just don't change the best logo in all of sports.

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I voted yes and have no problem admitting that. I also feel things have gone way too PC, however Redskin is to most Native Americans the same as the word n*gger to blacks.

Yeah, I practically spelled it out to get the point across.

How about start a hockey team in North Dakota and call them the North Dakota N*ggers? Sure, North Dakota is primarly made up of whites and Native Americans. The black population is small there but that doesn't matter does it? It's just a team name. Also there would be zero to very few black players on the team, however the name would not be meant to be offensive. It would celebrate the history of black people in this country.

You know what, let's not be THAT offensive. Let's call them instead the North Dakota Sambos. That would be less controversial.

How about Sambo the mascot? They would have this crest on their jerseys ...



Probably after 80 years everyone would be used to the name and no one would think of it as being a racist slur. You would just think hockey in North Dakota.

If you voted NO to changing the Redskins name, please explain why you would be against the North Dakota Sambos? That is, IF you would be against it.

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How about Sambo the mascot? They would have this crest on their jerseys ...

Can you find a similar example using the word 'Redskin'?
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I voted yes and have no problem admitting that. I also feel things have gone way too PC, however Redskin is to most Native Americans the same as the word n*gger to blacks.
Except for the fact redskin is more akin to black than n*gger.

Outside of this conversation look around this message board or in society generally and people routinely talk about black, white, yellow, brown and red skinned people. It is a factual demarcation.

To Dan B, I am sorry but back in that day you can't say against integration for one race means against for all. Jim Thorpe was the 1st AFPA president (which became NFL). There were a lot (relative to the population) of Indian players in the NFL. Integration for Indians was not the same as integration for blacks. Marshall was specifically anti-black. The 1933 NFL order was specifically anti-black. FYI-the Boston Braves Thorpe played for was the baseball team not Marshall's football team.
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