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Old 06-11-2013   #21
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Can we sign Leach and bring back the Wishbone?
Yeah but isn't that package more dangerous with a QB that can actually move? Not sure Schaub qualifies, heh.
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The Texans roll out their 3 TE, 2 FB set.
Whenever the Texans leap out to that insurmountable, double-digit, 10-0 lead they will roll out their 3 TE, 2 FB set.

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Love me some Vonta...but if we had cash to spend I'd rather bring Winston back and fix RT instead of slightly possibly upgrading FB.
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I don't recall Ray Rice being much of a rushing threat in last years play offs. I didn't see a lot of those monster blocks we love to see either.

I don't know if Leach is finally over the hill, lost that step... but I don't think we missed much when he left, I don't think the Ravens gained much when they picked him up.

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I don't know if Leach is finally over the hill, lost that step... but I don't think we missed much when he left, I don't think the Ravens gained much when they picked him up.
We aren't going to bring Leach back but that is a bit revisionist.

Foster went from 4.9 ypc to 4.4 ypc. Ray Rice went from 4.0 ypc to 4.7 ypc.
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I don't recall Ray Rice being much of a rushing threat in last years play offs. I didn't see a lot of those monster blocks we love to see either.

I don't know if Leach is finally over the hill, lost that step... but I don't think we missed much when he left, I don't think the Ravens gained much when they picked him up.

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Well said, and I agree. That's also how I feel about Winston. We've moved on, it's time to move forward.
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We aren't going to bring Leach back but that is a bit revisionist.

Foster went from 4.9 ypc to 4.4 ypc. Ray Rice went from 4.0 ypc to 4.7 ypc.
Lets hope the transition from Casey to Jones is as good to Foster as Leach was to Rice .... Casey wasn't a FB at all , but he did offer a different dimension to the Texans offense - one I think they failed to take advantage of more often than not.
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I don't think the Texans would have much interest. Leach is better than Greg Jones, but not that much better.
Sign Vonta to the same exact contract as Greg (or a comparable deal - even if it's slightly more). Surely Vonta knows that he won't make anything close to what the Ravens signed him for (which is why I don't blame him for leaving). Let them compete and keep one, cut the other.
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Jones in theory is the better runner but he hasn't received any significant carries in 6 years.

Jones has been considered an excellent lead blocker but the best? You would think he would have some sort of pro-bowl or all-pro accolades and he has none.
Didn't Vonta have to actively lobby to get pro bowl accolades a couple of years ago?

I don't want to see Leach back in a Texans uniform at all. That's a stand on principal, not his ability. I hold his self-aggrandizement on the same level as Dunta Robinson's "pay me Rick" self-aggrandizement. Just my personal feelings on the subject. I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions because I do get personal about some things.
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Didn't Vonta have to actively lobby to get pro bowl accolades a couple of years ago?

I don't want to see Leach back in a Texans uniform at all. That's a stand on principal, not his ability. I hold his self-aggrandizement on the same level as Dunta Robinson's "pay me Rick" self-aggrandizement. Just my personal feelings on the subject. I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions because I do get personal about some things.
Agree, for the most part. I was also annoyed by his "Leach to the beach" Pro Bowl campaign.

But, I also recall Owen Daniels doing something similar right before he was selected for the first time.
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Didn't Vonta have to actively lobby to get pro bowl accolades a couple of years ago?
I don't see where you get the self-aggrandizing.

Anyway as I recall things the lobbying was by Leach's teammates particularly AJ and Foster:

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Wide receiver Andre Johnson, a four-time Pro Bowler, wore a “Send Leach to the Beach” T-shirt during his interview session with reporters.
“We are trying to get Vonta Leach over to Hawaii, so I need everybody to go to NFL.com and vote for Vonta Leach and send him to Hawaii,” Johnson said. “I think he deserves it.”
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Frankly that wasn't needed as he was also 1st team All-Pro in 2010.
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We aren't going to bring Leach back but that is a bit revisionist.

Foster went from 4.9 ypc to 4.4 ypc. Ray Rice went from 4.0 ypc to 4.7 ypc.
You're right. The absence of Vonta Leach is why Arian Foster's ypc dropped half a yard per carry.
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I don't see where you get the self-aggrandizing.

Anyway as I recall things the lobbying was by Leach's teammates particularly AJ and Foster:



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Frankly that wasn't needed as he was also 1st team All-Pro in 2010.
Didn't the man wear tee shirts saying Leach for Pro Bowl? That's self-aggrandizement. He left the Texans because they wouldn't make him the highest paid FB in the league. Regardless, I qualified my position as compromised by personal feelings on the subject. I admit my view is not objective. I quoted you because you mentioned Jones not having accolades.
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You're right. The absence of Vonta Leach is why Arian Foster's ypc dropped half a yard per carry.
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We aren't going to bring Leach back but that is a bit revisionist.

Foster went from 4.9 ypc to 4.4 ypc. Ray Rice went from 4.0 ypc to 4.7 ypc.
I'm sure you're correct with the numbers 'cak but I'm not sure exactly how much Vonta being gone brought to bear there. As has been discussed here on occasion Arian seemed to go down after insignificant contact and I know by watching that he sure did slip and go down significantly with no contact whatsoever.

Sure would like to see him take the rushing crown again and it appears he's noticed the same drop off, thus his self pronounced "re dedication".
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Didn't the man wear tee shirts saying Leach for Pro Bowl? That's self-aggrandizement.
I don't remember all that, but why wouldn't he?

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He left the Texans because they wouldn't make him the highest paid FB in the league.
And why would they (the Texans)? He understood the business end of it and took a payday that he knew he would never have a chance to make again. I have no hard feelings for him bailing to Baltimore.

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Regardless, I qualified my position as compromised by personal feelings on the subject. I admit my view is not objective. I quoted you because you mentioned Jones not having accolades.
Fair enough. Jones has no accolades because he played on a shotty Jacksonville team, IIRC.
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I'm sure you're correct with the numbers 'cak but I'm not sure exactly how much Vonta being gone brought to bear there. As has been discussed here on occasion Arian seemed to go down after insignificant contact and I know by watching that he sure did slip and go down significantly with no contact whatsoever.

Sure would like to see him take the rushing crown again and it appears he's noticed the same drop off, thus his self pronounced "re dedication".
Don't forget an upset on the OL. RG and RT had a pretty major impact on Foster's productivity.
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Don't forget an upset on the OL. RG and RT had a pretty major impact on Foster's productivity.
ABSOLUTELY. I meant to mention that in my last post.

I just think you may be clinging on to the fact he left the Texans for the Ravens, where a "Fullback" had a chance to get paid.
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I don't remember all that, but why wouldn't he?


And why would they (the Texans)? He understood the business end of it and took a payday that he knew he would never have a chance to make again. I have no hard feelings for him bailing to Baltimore.


Fair enough. Jones has no accolades because he played on a shotty Jacksonville team, IIRC.
IMHO, Leach was a small cog in a big machine and made himself a bigger part of that machine than was reasonable. I guess I don't really blame him for looking for a bigger payday but don't come crawling back looking for more. IMO, Leach should feel lucky to even get an NFL contract because the FB position is such a nonessential position today. As admirable as the FB position is, in terms of manliness, it's not really essential in today's NFL. I don't see last years failures at RB as a problem with FB play as much as a problem with the right side of the Texans OL.

I still have hard feelings for Leach leaving for Baltimore. Can't help it. Don't apologize for it.
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Don't forget an upset on the OL. RG and RT had a pretty major impact on Foster's productivity.
Not questioning that in the least but we all saw Arian slip and fall on his own, without being touched and going down with minor contact that we've all watched him juke and be gone from prior. Make shift line or not. That's all I'm saying.
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