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Old 05-30-2013   #61
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I will admit I've done my fair share of hating on Can't-Turn-His-Head Jackson
This speaks to me to how bad the officiating has gotten in the NFL. If there is contact & the defender prematurely interferes with the receivers ability to catch the ball, it's a penalty.

If there is no contact before the ball gets to the receiver, it's not a penalty & shouldn't be called.

Too many times, I'm seeing the ref throw the flag when there is no contact, or when the contact is well timed.
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Kareem Jackson=Superstar=LOL
I would have to agree. KJ is improving, but is not a superstar. He finally showed improvement last season, but when it's all said & done he has had more bad seasons then good ones thus far in his NFL career. I have been highly critical of KJ in the past & still believe he showed some of the flaws in his game last season that have plagued him from day one, such as not getting his head around & biting on double moves to get burned, but he has definetly improved. I think I'm going to at least wait to see if KJ can produce at least 2 seasons of quality play before anointing him a "superstar". Hopefully KJ continues to get better, but that remains to be seen because one season of quality play doesn't quite solidify a player as being a good player much less a superstar IMO.

There is a reason JJo is still on the team as the #1 CB & considered one of the best in the NFL & it comes back to quality play over multiple years...not just one season like KJ has produced.
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I would have to agree. KJ is improving, but is not a superstar. He finally showed improvement last season, but when it's all said & done he has had more bad seasons then good ones thus far in his NFL career. I have been highly critical of KJ in the past & still believe he showed some of the flaws in his game last season that have plagued him from day one, such as not getting his head around & biting on double moves to get burned, but he has definetly improved. I think I'm going to at least wait to see if KJ can produce at least 2 seasons of quality play before anointing him a "superstar". Hopefully KJ continues to get better, but that remains to be seen because one season of quality play doesn't quite solidify a player as being a good player much less a superstar IMO.

There is a reason JJo is still on the team as the #1 CB & considered one of the best in the NFL & it comes back to quality play over multiple years...not just one season like KJ has produced.
JJo is going into his eighth year. KJ is starting his fourth. JJo was not the player he is now in his first few years either. As has been hammered time and again CB is the most difficult position to transition into from a collegiate career other than QB. I think it's safe to say by seeing how far he's come that one could pretty safely extrapolate a solid career for KJ. I wouldn't think it's out of the realm of probability that he becomes as good of a player as JJo this season or next.
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JJo is going into his eighth year. KJ is starting his fourth. JJo was not the player he is now in his first few years either. As has been hammered time and again CB is the most difficult position to transition into from a collegiate career other than QB. I think it's safe to say by seeing how far he's come that one could pretty safely extrapolate a solid career for KJ. I wouldn't think it's out of the realm of probability that he becomes as good of a player as JJo this season or next.
Barring injury.

But, this "superstar" talk is just as goofy as the "elite" QB talk. It's just some adjective a writer used to get his point across & some people are just getting a little carried away with it. We know who KJ is.

What I'd like to know, is what CB has played better than KJ from day one to now, since the 2009 draft. If the position is as tough to learn, as has been said, it should be a pretty short list.

I know McCourty had a heck of a rookie year, but since then, I don't know what to say. I know if we bounced Kareem, or Brandon Harris, or Quin between safety & CB, we would say that he wasn't that good of a corner. Does that hold true for McCourty? I'm sure he'd like to be thought of (& paid) as a CB, but I don't think he will be.

I know Kj was drafted in the 2010 draft, I just wanted to expand the field.
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JJo is going into his eighth year. KJ is starting his fourth. JJo was not the player he is now in his first few years either. As has been hammered time and again CB is the most difficult position to transition into from a collegiate career other than QB. I think it's safe to say by seeing how far he's come that one could pretty safely extrapolate a solid career for KJ. I wouldn't think it's out of the realm of probability that he becomes as good of a player as JJo this season or next.
That statement is not entirely accurate. I'm sure JJo did take some lumps his rookie season, but he only started 9 games & ended up still defending 20 passes. KJ didn't even defend 20 passes in first 2 seasons combined(16 to be exact). JJo started in 2007 & played well by most accounts. Then started in 2008 & was having a good season before it was cut short by injury. He then returned in 2009 & once again had a good season & earned All Joe team honors which is given to players whom have played well but aren't given the credit some feel is deserved.

I'm not saying CB is not a difficult position to transition to, but your comparison of JJo & KJ is a bit off base & far from accurate. JJo showed the potential from day 1 & KJ obviously did not. Which is exactly why I said let's get another solid year out of KJ before prematurely claiming he is a "superstar" after producing just 1 solid season of play in his young 3yr career. KJ has shown improvement, without a doubt, but in the end it still only equates to 1 solid season & there have been multiple players who have come & gone w/ 1 solid season of play under their belts & didn't turn into superstars. Time will tell & I hope he continues to improve, but JJo is our #1 cb for good reason.
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Yeah, I'm not exactly ready to make KJ our #1, but I do believe he's going to do well again.
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Kareem Jackson named to 2010 NFL All-Draft Team. Well deserved.

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So other in their (PFR) opinion, there isn't another QB from that draft who should be starting over Joe Haden & Kareem Jackson? So they aren't fans of Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty?
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It's very true that we can't compare Joseph and Jackson in their respective rookie year; the same way we can't compare McCourty with Jackson.

It's better to compare Joseph and McCourty.
They played in more similar defenses.
The Pats played mostly a cover-two defense while the Bengals mixed it up with the Tampa two.

In these schemes, the CB play mostly zone, and can afford to be more aggressive.
When they are in man, they still have two safeties to back them up (cover two, man-under.)
Don't forget that both of those defenses ranked near the bottom in yardage allowed.
It's hard to imagine rookie CBs playing so well despite the fact that the passing D was "terrible".

Jackson was thrown into the fire, playing more on an island.
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McCourty had a good rookie season and has since gone on to be ddreadful. Kyle Wilson has been a nickel behind Revis and Cromartie, I do not believe he has been anything special and since the Jets drafted Miliner I'm not sure he's getting the starting gig now that Revis is gone.
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since the Jets drafted Miliner I'm not sure he's getting the starting gig now that Revis is gone.
That will be interesting to see. Rex's D is usually pretty aggressive..... I'd be surprised if he starts a rookie at CB
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So other in their (PFR) opinion, there isn't another QB from that draft who should be starting over Joe Haden & Kareem Jackson? So they aren't fans of Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty?
McCourty definitely in the discussion.
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That said, Watt is worthy of a really big one.
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