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Fair or not, this should be a bubble year for Jean. He'll make the team due to the injury to Posey and our lack of depth at WR but if he doesn't step up next season then he needs to be given his walking papers and a Burger King job application.
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Fair or not, this should be a bubble year for Jean. He'll make the team due to the injury to Posey and our lack of depth at WR but if he doesn't step up next season then he needs to be given his walking papers and a Burger King job application.
I don't think Jean is a lock to make the roster.
Lemon is a very capable receiver, even though he mainly played in the slot at Syracuse. He can afford the Texans to play Martin more on the outside to utilize his speed, giving AJ and Hopkins a breather now and then.

And then you have Andy Cruse who could be a sleeper.
He's got the size and the tenacity in blocking;
Just the kind of receiver that Kubiak likes in the mold of KW.
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I don't think Jean is a lock to make the roster.
I wonder how many receivers we're going to carry. I'd like to get back to the days when we commonly used 3 receiver sets, throwing 4 & 5 out there every now & then.

Not a TE spread wide, or a RB in disguise, true 4 WR sets.
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I wonder how many receivers we're going to carry. I'd like to get back to the days when we commonly used 3 receiver sets, throwing 4 & 5 out there every now & then.

Not a TE spread wide, or a RB in disguise, true 4 WR sets.
I don't think it works to Schaub's strength.

Some people may say that I'm obscene to even suggest the following, but a guy like Keenum can make it works better as he has a super quick release.
With 4 receivers, one of them needs to get open quickly, if only for just a short hair. You want a QB who can get the ball there in a flash.

Schaub, IMO, is better suited with TE(s) in the mix;
They may not be quite open, but they could have the size advantage.
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Some people may say that I'm obscene to even suggest the following...
Not obscene... out of your fking mind.


But not obscene.
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I don't think it works to Schaub's strength.

Some people may say that I'm obscene to even suggest the following, but a guy like Keenum can make it works better as he has a super quick release.
With 4 receivers, one of them needs to get open quickly, if only for just a short hair. You want a QB who can get the ball there in a flash.

Schaub, IMO, is better suited with TE(s) in the mix;
They may not be quite open, but they could have the size advantage.
Until Keenum shows he can recognize and read NFL defenses at Schaub's level that quick release is kind of a "so what". That day may be coming, but it ain't here yet. And yes, I know you didn't say it was.

...back to topic (before this devolves into another Schaub Sucks thread), is this Lestar's last year of practice squad eligibility? The roster posted at HT.com says this is his 2nd year. That sounds wrong. I thought this was his third year.
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Until Keenum shows he can recognize and read NFL defenses at Schaub's level that quick release is kind of a "so what". That day may be coming, but it ain't here yet. And yes, I know you didn't say it was.

...back to topic (before this devolves into another Schaub Sucks thread), is this Lestar's last year of practice squad eligibility? The roster posted at HT.com says this is his 2nd year. That sounds wrong. I thought this was his third year.
Well he was IR'd his rookie season so i guess it gives him another year of eligibility. He was active for too many games last year i think though to make him eligible for the practice squad. If i'm not mistaken i think it's 8 games or more.
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Well he was IR'd his rookie season so i guess it gives him another year of eligibility. He was active for too many games last year i think though to make him eligible for the practice squad. If i'm not mistaken i think it's 8 games or more.
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Lestar Jean is a #4 receiver best case who can make a nice play once every few games. I'm not sure why everyone tries to believe he is something more.
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I don't think Jean is a lock to make this roster and unless he proves something, he probably won't.
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I don't think Jean is a lock to make this roster and unless he proves something, he probably won't.
His problem has been injury more than anything. This will be his third year. All he's got to do is stay healthy.
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Until Keenum shows he can recognize and read NFL defenses at Schaub's level that quick release is kind of a "so what". That day may be coming, but it ain't here yet. And yes, I know you didn't say it was.

...back to topic (before this devolves into another Schaub Sucks thread), is this Lestar's last year of practice squad eligibility? The roster posted at HT.com says this is his 2nd year. That sounds wrong. I thought this was his third year.
He has completed 2 years. He's going into his third year.

He was active for 14 games last season, I think. And that means he's no longer PS eligible.
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It's interesting to see these comments that Jean was generating this exact same time last year:

http://www.fantasysharks.com/forum/v...c.php?t=285480
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It's interesting to see these comments that Jean was generating this exact same time last year:

http://www.fantasysharks.com/forum/v...c.php?t=285480
In all honesty, I don't feel any different. Though my opinion isn't based on OTAs or pre season. I'm only going by what I saw during the regular season. I think I saw someone with the tools to be a very productive receiver in this league.

Good speed, good hands, big catch radius, & play making ability.

I think he couldn't get on the field for the same reason we went into turtle mode everytime we were up by three or more points.

There's a lot of pressure on Kubiak & he's feeling it. Every win is so precious that our guys were playing tight, in December, because of it. They never were able to loosen up.

So Kubiak went with what he thought was a sure thing in KDub & not your potential play makers in Jacoby Jones (who they cut (which I'm fine with, just not cutting Jj in favor of KDub) & LeStar Jean.

Had they put that kind of trust in Jacoby, or LeStar I think we'd have had a much better year. They make mistakes, I'm not going to lie or try to make you believe otherwise. But you've got to let them play through those mistakes to reap the rewards.

There wasn't going to be any rewards with Walter.

Funny though. That was one of the things I liked about Kubiak. Back in 2006, I thought he got fed up with Carr because he was so conservative he didn't give Andre or OD an opportunity to make a big play. I liked that Kubiak allowed Sage to sling it, mistake or no & try to make up for it on the back end.

We just didn't have a team capable of making up for those mistakes.

Now we do & he won't unleash them.
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I think he couldn't get on the field for the same reason we went into turtle mode everytime we were up by three or more points.
There's one BIG problem with your statement here. You're assuming he wasn't on the field.

He WAS on the field last year. But for one reason or another (and I don't think it's the play call), he didn't get the ball thrown to him. I don't know if he wasn't open or if he wasn't consistently in the right places so that Schaub didn't trust him to be there or what, but I remember seeing him on the field quite a bit last year.
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I think Jean has missed his window to break into the starting line up. In OTAs and T/C prior to the 2012 season, Walter was his only real comp. Yes, Posey and K.Martin had been drafted but he had a year in our system under his belt and they were rooks trying to learn.

Now K. Martin has that year of experience so that edge is gone. We all know that #2 is Hopkins' to lose, and from the early returns he won't. I don't think we'll carry more than 4 WRs unless one of them excels on special teams. The current roster at HT.com shows ten guys in the WR position. At the risk of stating the obvious, the #1 spot is unquestionably nailed down and the #2 spot is 90% a given at this point. Eight guys for the last two spots. Going by what I've heard from our on-the-spot bloggers, I'd give Bonner the edge for #3. So Jean has to beat out K. Martin, J. Maehl, and all the rest to earn that spot. If Posey was here and healthy, I doubt Jean would have a chance.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Jean sticking.

But, OTOH, there's still T/C and preseason. So there's time to move up the depth chart. But the competition is much tougher than it was last year this time and much, much tougher than when he got here.
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I don't think we'll carry more than 4 WRs unless one of them excels on special teams. The current roster at HT.com shows ten guys in the WR position.
For some reason I was thinking we'd keep 6

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I think Jean has missed his window to break into the starting line up. In OTAs and T/C prior to the 2012 season, Walter was his only real comp. Yes, Posey and K.Martin had been drafted but he had a year in our system under his belt and they were rooks trying to learn.

Now K. Martin has that year of experience so that edge is gone. We all know that #2 is Hopkins' to lose, and from the early returns he won't. I don't think we'll carry more than 4 WRs unless one of them excels on special teams. The current roster at HT.com shows ten guys in the WR position. At the risk of stating the obvious, the #1 spot is unquestionably nailed down and the #2 spot is 90% a given at this point. Eight guys for the last two spots. Going by what I've heard from our on-the-spot bloggers, I'd give Bonner the edge for #3. So Jean has to beat out K. Martin, J. Maehl, and all the rest to earn that spot. If Posey was here and healthy, I doubt Jean would have a chance.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Jean sticking.

But, OTOH, there's still T/C and preseason. So there's time to move up the depth chart. But the competition is much tougher than it was last year this time and much, much tougher than when he got here.
^^^ This is very close to what I feel. MSR.

I think we'll probably carry 5 instead of 4 but other than that and the fact that I think Martin is ahead of Bonner. Yeah.

1 - Andre
2 - Deandre
3 - Martin -- "the" slot guy
4 - Bonner -- all-purpose guy who could have a big future
5 - A ST player who would be Posey if he wasn't injured.

And then the guys with PS eligibility.

So I give Jean slightly more of a shot than you because I have that 5th slot and I think he does/has played gunner on ST. If we go with 4, I don't see any way he makes the team but even then, when Posey comes back, Jean is done.

Jean was a guy we had hopes for but at least at this point, he doesn't look like he's been able to cut it.
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The last two years we have carried 5 occasionally bumping to 6.
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The reason I said 4 is that we very seldom go with 5 WR sets. Our 5-wideout sets tend to be 3 WRs, 1 TE, & 1 RB or 4 WRs and 1 TE or 1 RB.

But Cak is right, we carried 5 last year and the year before. So maybe 5 is the number this year too.

I know this has been explained before, but one more time for us memory challenged folk.... Posey will likely start the year on the PUP list right? So does that give us another spot until he returns? I mean, we'll have the 53-man roster + the PUP guy... right?

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