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Old 05-19-2013   #21
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Jay-Z doing a little Monday morning quarterbackin.
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Default Re: What's up with these players blaming agents for falling in the draft?

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One thing to keep in mind... if I'm not mistaken... the agent that was fired by Dee Milliner was the SAME EXACT AGENT fired by Geno Smith.

If it had been one guy saying he was guaranteed he'd be drafted at a certain position, that's one thing. But two guys having the same agent getting his guys to expect to be drafted by a certain place... then this agent needs this reality check.
It was two different agencies.

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The person, who confirmed the initial report by Sports Business Journal that Smith had fired Select Sports Group, said Smith's former agents informed him throughout the process there was a chance he would drop.
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New York Jets cornerback Dee Milliner has fired his agency, Impact Sports, after failing to be selected in the top five of the 2013 NFL Draft. The move made Milliner the second high-profile Jets rookie, after quarterback Geno Smith, to do so after a draft deemed less than satisfying.
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It was two different agencies.

Ah. Thanks for that. I thought I'd heard on NFLN that it was the same agent.

My bad.
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Default Re: What's up with these players blaming agents for falling in the draft?

I was listening to an agent on the radio the other day and how he described the process in which he goes about it is, best/worst case scenario and he always has a plan set for worst case scenario. This agent said that he's had clients that he advised them that they could go undrafted and had already had a plan laid out for them if that was the case....And then they end up going as high as the fourth round...

I just can't see reputable agents making those kinds of in stone guarantees to players after having been around the block a few times. There's only so much they can do to affect the draft position of their clients.
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It's a symptom of their generation. I see it at my work as I'm sure many of you see it also. No accountability.
Right, because the 3 guys complaining out of the 254 selections, and a few people at your work represent an entire generation. I'm sure nobody before the 1980's ever had a lack of accountability either.
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Jets making headlines.......... so it begins.
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Default Re: What's up with these players blaming agents for falling in the draft?

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You all see this as the players not taking responsibility. What about the agents taking responsibility? This feels to me kind of like employers (the players) holding their employees (the agents) accountable...

You know, we don't know exactly what all went on, so what I'm writing here is going to be speculation. But, I think some of this might be a good move on the players' parts. Now, I know the article basically says this whole scenario doesn't seem likely since these agents have other players as clients, but I don't buy that reasoning.

My impression is that many agents spend time not just helping their clients prepare for the draft/negotiate/etc., but also kissing up to the players. The agents want to stay on board (after all, that's how they get their money, just a cut from these contracts), and I'm sure will tell the players how great they (the players) are, how many teams are so interested in them, how they are going to be drafted so high, etc. It wouldn't surprise me at all if those agents had repeatedly told their clients a bunch of lies about what was going to happen to the player come draft day. I'm betting this is part of their initial "sell", also: if one agent is telling you: "I think you're a first rounder" and another is telling you: "Look, you're good, but realistically you'll be lucky to be taken in the second.", guess who these college kids are likely to gravitate toward in selecting an agent. And, when whatever great things that were promised don't come to pass the agents can then just help the players blame whatever as the reason they didn't get what was promised, rather than blaming the agent for the bad advice. Just like any employee, if you've dealt with an agent on a personal basis for a long time, it's hard to just let that person go, so it doesn't surprise me if agents aren't fired even when their promises don't pan out.

So, maybe these players just realized that their agents had been repeatedly lying to them, and decided to fire them. I don't see them blaming the agents for their drop, so much as saying these agents didn't do what they should have. Also, agents DO give advice about preparing for the draft, and maybe these players decided in retrospect that the agents were giving them bad advice. There's something to the agents themselves being held accountable by their employer (the players), and maybe if agents were more upfront with their clients, this wouldn't be as likely to happen.

Like I said, that's speculation, but it seems just as likely to me as the players refusing to take responsibility for their own actions.
This is it in a nutshell. The agents are landing these players based on where they're telling them they'll go; giving them overly positive draft projections and when they don't go where they previously projected them, i'm sure there's a little backtracking by the firm...."Well, they were just projections based on the feedback we were getting from the teams........But hey, we'll get it all back on the next contract..".

I could understand Smith situation though...Dude went from the rumored top overall pick in the draft to a 2nd rounder...that's alot of money he lost and as an agent, that's unacceptable imo.

Millner, I could see it both ways. He'd been rumored top 5 pretty much the whole draft but he only fell a little. Still, falling from projected top 5 to 9...that's alot money he lost. Probably feels like his agent didn't get him out there enough.

All in all though, we don't know what happened behind the scenes.
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Right, because the 3 guys complaining out of the 254 selections, and a few people at your work represent an entire generation. I'm sure nobody before the 1980's ever had a lack of accountability either.
lol exactly. The previous generations always think younger generations are lazy, no work ethic, no accountability, everything given to them, yada yada yada. It reminds me of the ATT commercial where the 12 year olds are complaining that the 8 year olds have it easy these days.
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Default Re: What's up with these players blaming agents for falling in the draft?

This is more about the Jay-Z guy luring Geno away from his agent -- which is a violation of NFLPA rules, since Jay-Z has not been certified as an agent. We could end up with agents partnering with celebrities to entice these young men to sign with them.

So we'll see Tom Cruise and Spike Lee and Kim Kardashian and Hugh Hefner and Donald Trump jumping into the fray as agents of agents. Entertainment Tonight and People Magazine and TMZ and the like will cover the recruitment of NFL eligible players as they go to parties at the Playboy mansion and Justin Bieber concerts and shopping with Paris Hilton.

Can you imagine...

Secretary: Mr. Smith, it's Jay Z on line 2.
Rick Smith: Who?
Secretary: Mr. Jay Z, sir.
Rick Smith: The singer guy???
Secretary: Yes, he wants to talk to you about using your picks to trade up to draft Jadeveon Bridgewater, the hot NFL prospect.
Rick Smith: I don't want to talk to that guy. ....Give him to Jimmy.
Secretary: Jimmy the copy boy?
Rick Smith: Yeah, give him to Jimmy. He's the one that impersonated me with Trump, right?
Secretary: *sigh* Yes.

Jimmy: Yo, yo, yo .... 'sup?
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lol exactly. The previous generations always think younger generations are lazy, no work ethic, no accountability, everything given to them, yada yada yada. It reminds me of the ATT commercial where the 12 year olds are complaining that the 8 year olds have it easy these days.
And the weird part is the previous generation is responsible for raising the younger generation. So who's really to blame if the young folks have all these "bad" qualities? LOL
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Default Re: What's up with these players blaming agents for falling in the draft?

In the day and age of the 24/7 news cycle, inane stuff like this becomes a story. This is not some new practice of players changing agents after being drafted and whatnot, it's not some fad that Geno Smith and Dee Milliner are trying to start.

They are just going with a different agency and it appears that Geno Smith's previous agent was really upset about it and leaked a bunch of crap to the media about Smith.
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Default Re: What's up with these players blaming agents for falling in the draft?

There is an article on yahoo sports talking about this very situation and saying that it is being investigated by the NFLPA. Here is an excerpt:

In 2012, the NFLPA banned the use of "runners" -- people without appropriate credentials used by agencies to recruit potential clients. And though Smith was technically signed by attorney Kimberly Miale, the potential involvement of Jay-Z, who is not certified as an agent, has other agencies wondering if the rules aren't being circumvented in this case. Albert Breer of NFL.com recently reported that the NFLPA will investigate the process by which Smith was signed.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...133525207.html
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And the weird part is the previous generation is responsible for raising the younger generation. So who's really to blame if the young folks have all these "bad" qualities? LOL
Wait, so you're telling me that the people responsible for raising the irresponsible kids are not taking responsibility for their children's lack of responsibility?

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