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Old 05-11-2013   #61
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I think we should probably talk about how KDub "failed" us. Maybe that will help us develop our expectations for Hopkins.

"Walter didn't draw any attention away from Andre." Or something similar is often said about KevinWalter, the real question is why not? & will Hopkins be able to provide that?

Kevin Walter was on the field for a reason & it wasn't his blocking ability. He was better at something than our other options were, what was it? & will DeAndre be able to provide that as well as that thing we were missing?
Well, look at KW's decreasing numbers. This is why I think he became expendable.

At his best, he was getting 800+ yards per season in 2007 and 2008. Then he dropped down to about 500 yards per season in 2011 and 2012. That's just not getting it done.

What KW brought us was a guy who blocked well, ran the right routes, and then caught the ball when it was thrown to him. Back in his prime, he made some great catches. If the ball was close, he caught it.

Since then? Not so much. He was still OK but not as clutch as he had been.

I expect Hopkins to be that same sort of player. I expect him to run precise routes, be where he's supposed to be, and catch the ball. He might not be as good a blocker at first, but I expect him to develop into a good blocker. But more importantly, I expect him to get better separation on his routes that KW.
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I'm happy we drafted Hopkins. I would be a little happier if we accumulate picks for next year. Either way, I'm happy.
I totally get wanting to load in that 2014 draft class.

But this team is in the AJ playoff window. We needed to strike now.

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I apologize if I may sound like a snob to anybody.
No worries.

I think 35-40 receptions is doable.
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I'm going to say Hopkins gets 60 catches, 830 yards, and 7 tds. I just hope Schaub, Dre, and Daniels can stay healthy all season.
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Rookie #2 WR, rookie QB, expansion team, offense which could charitably be called asthmatic, 121 less completions than last year's Texans - 41 rec. 483 yds.

WR's taken in the bottom half of the 1st round of the last 5 drafts averaged: 44.6 receptions, 597.25 yds.
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I think we will use him more in the red zone or third down situations.

Not expecting lots of yards or receptions.
Will stick my neck out and go for double digits for touch downs

25 receptions for 200 yrds and 10 Tds.

Like i said his big hands and fightimg for the ball. Short yards pass plays.


There again what do i know.
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WR's taken in the bottom half of the 1st round of the last 5 drafts averaged: 44.6 receptions, 597.25 yds.
Those look like reasonable numbers. I'm expecting a very good year from Hopkins and I think he'll deliver.

I don't expect to see Posey next season. I wouldn't be shocked if he's not on the team in 2014. That's a very serious injury he's trying to recover from.
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Rookie #2 WR, rookie QB, expansion team, offense which could charitably be called asthmatic, 121 less completions than last year's Texans - 41 rec. 483 yds.

WR's taken in the bottom half of the 1st round of the last 5 drafts averaged: 44.6 receptions, 597.25 yds.
Is there any way to seperate the figures?

Some spread teams distribute the ball to their receivers more;
Some may not have a FB, some don't have two productive TEs.
Some team don't figure their RB in the passing game as much as the Texans.

Then, we also have to account for teams that don't have a lethal weapon like AJ.

Were there any down time for the major weapons?

Those are some of the things I can think of at the moment.
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Those look like reasonable numbers. I'm expecting a very good year from Hopkins and I think he'll deliver.

I don't expect to see Posey next season. I wouldn't be shocked if he's not on the team in 2014. That's a very serious injury he's trying to recover from.
The Texans may very well sign a veteran to take the place of Posey.
It's not like his production is difficult to replace.
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I think we should probably talk about how KDub "failed" us. Maybe that will help us develop our expectations for Hopkins.

"Walter didn't draw any attention away from Andre." Or something similar is often said about KevinWalter, the real question is why not? & will Hopkins be able to provide that?

Kevin Walter was on the field for a reason & it wasn't his blocking ability. He was better at something than our other options were, what was it? & will DeAndre be able to provide that as well as that thing we were missing?
I think I will just stay away from comparing the two of them...
after this observation for the last time.

Hopkins was a Jr last year, so the long-term outlook for him is good.

But strictly speaking about what them two did on the field last year, I will be more than happy if Hopkins (in his rookie year) can do what Walter did last year in the passing game (forget the blocking).

Hopkins has the youth, Walter has the experience.
At the moment, I don't expect Hopkins youth to be able to overtake Walter's experience.

If Hopkins had accumulated his production against better competition, it would have provided us with more information.
But that wasn't the case, and therefore, questions remain.
Hopefully, we'll get a clearer picture in PS.
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This is a part of his game I like to see improve from last year.

Straight drops as well as unable to hold on to the ball after getting hit.
Or he needs to get a little better separation so that the hit comes a hair later.

These are the things that he can improve on.
When he's able to do all that, he'll be a nice player; a number one receiver.
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Is there any way to seperate the figures?

Some spread teams distribute the ball to their receivers more;
Some may not have a FB, some don't have two productive TEs.
Some team don't figure their RB in the passing game as much as the Texans.

Then, we also have to account for teams that don't have a lethal weapon like AJ.

Were there any down time for the major weapons?

Those are some of the things I can think of at the moment.
Some of them had stars on their helmets.

Some had eagles.

Some had thumbtacks.

All of which is equally irrelevant to your attempt to distract.

But hey if you want to play lets convolute the average I can go back and do it with lower half 1st round receivers who went to teams with 4000+ yd QB's. Well there were only two of those and they had 60 rec. for 790 yds and 47 rec. for 790 yds and 6 TD's apiece (both with WCO teams).

Or how about this one, the two who fell below your predictions for Hopkins - none of the five QB's who were throwing to them are with their teams any longer nor are they starting QB's.

Now let's take a guess, what affects a WR's performance more, the QB or whether or not the FB scratches his butt with his left or right hand regardless of whether he is on the field.
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Kubiak is going to want Andre Johnson to get about 110 receptions if he plays for 16 games.

TDs for all Texans receivers will be artificially low because Arian Foster will tend to vulture most of the close in attempts. Dennison is a big believer in the offensive line imposing its will with the run game close in. They'd rather Arian Foster pick his way through traffic, and almost walk in the endzone.

So, with that as a preface, and knowing that Foster and OD and others may get some targets too, here is a thought:

I like going to camp myself because I don't trust many camp reports. I think sometimes guys get over hyped or over dogged based on something flashy that went on, or maybe something struck one guy watching camp, and it got reported, and then it becomes sort of a group think thing.

I don't like to say definitive things unless it is almost a no-brainer, this is a non-disputable opinion. And rookie minicamp is soooo early with not real competition.

That being said, all the way too early camp reports on Hopkins looking really good are spot on, indisputable.

The last time a WR stood out so much at camp was Trindon Holliday's first season where it was so obvious that he was terrible and didn't know what he was doing as a WR.

Hopkins stands out the opposite way. He looks so much better than everybody out there on both sides of the ball. Look very effortless the way he catches. Nice afterburners on overthrown balls. You can see him contest and win contestable balls. (In a way that makes you nervous because you don't want anyone hurt).

Kubiak rarely is enthusiastic with young wide receivers. Both he and Dennison are enthusiastic about Hopkins. You can also see them giving him extra time. They want him to be a bad ass because they know he's right up the alley of what they like in a wide receiver.

So, in sum, I'm not buying all the hype on some of the other players mentioned. You can see some good and not so good and learning. But Hopkins just looks like he is already doing full grown man stuff, looks so much better than any of the WR draft picks from last year.

So yeah, I was not a huge WE MUST GET DEANDRE HOPKINS fan when the draft was going on. Just more wait and see and whatever. And I'm not someone that typically thinks most rookies are going to be immediate impact guys. But boy howdy, I really can't wait to see him line up with Andre.

In other words, this wasn't a brussels sprout no fun, necessary evil draft pick. This dude could be big fun to watch and fast. No idea with the numbers, but just a perfect fit for this offense.
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I'm just trying to temper expectations. Don't want TT.com to start calling him a bust with 30 catches & 6 TDs in his rookie season.
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Kubiak is going to want Andre Johnson to get about 110 receptions if he plays for 16 games.

TDs for all Texans receivers will be artificially low because Arian Foster will tend to vulture most of the close in attempts. Dennison is a big believer in the offensive line imposing its will with the run game close in. They'd rather Arian Foster pick his way through traffic, and almost walk in the endzone.

So, with that as a preface, and knowing that Foster and OD and others may get some targets too, here is a thought:

I like going to camp myself because I don't trust many camp reports. I think sometimes guys get over hyped or over dogged based on something flashy that went on, or maybe something struck one guy watching camp, and it got reported, and then it becomes sort of a group think thing.

I don't like to say definitive things unless it is almost a no-brainer, this is a non-disputable opinion. And rookie minicamp is soooo early with not real competition.

That being said, all the way too early camp reports on Hopkins looking really good are spot on, indisputable.

The last time a WR stood out so much at camp was Trindon Holliday's first season where it was so obvious that he was terrible and didn't know what he was doing as a WR.

Hopkins stands out the opposite way. He looks so much better than everybody out there on both sides of the ball. Look very effortless the way he catches. Nice afterburners on overthrown balls. You can see him contest and win contestable balls. (In a way that makes you nervous because you don't want anyone hurt).

Kubiak rarely is enthusiastic with young wide receivers. Both he and Dennison are enthusiastic about Hopkins. You can also see them giving him extra time. They want him to be a bad ass because they know he's right up the alley of what they like in a wide receiver.

So, in sum, I'm not buying all the hype on some of the other players mentioned. You can see some good and not so good and learning. But Hopkins just looks like he is already doing full grown man stuff, looks so much better than any of the WR draft picks from last year.

So yeah, I was not a huge WE MUST GET DEANDRE HOPKINS fan when the draft was going on. Just more wait and see and whatever. And I'm not someone that typically thinks most rookies are going to be immediate impact guys. But boy howdy, I really can't wait to see him line up with Andre.

In other words, this wasn't a brussels sprout no fun, necessary evil draft pick. This dude could be big fun to watch and fast. No idea with the numbers, but just a perfect fit for this offense.
How does Bonner look in comparison to how Posey and Martin looked in last yrs mini-camp?
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I'm just trying to temper expectations. Don't want TT.com to start calling him a bust with 30 catches & 6 TDs in his rookie season.
There's no telling about the reaction; but hopefully, the more we lay out all the info, people will have more to go by before coming to a conclusion that might be a bit early in expectation.

TC, always appreciate your eyes, ears, and mind.

Icak; we can do better. We can look at each individual case.
Five years is not much, especially when there were no receiver drafted in the first round in 2008.

I'm not sure when I have some time, but I did the preliminary check already.
If you like, you can go first. You can start with 09 or 2012, either way.
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Icak; we can do better. We can look at each individual case.
No we can't because I don't care about your individual analysis on how WR X had three OLmen whose names contained the letter Q.

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Funny when the standard refrain is the league is rapidly becoming more pass happy so the last five years should be most reflective of what to expect.

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If you like, you can go first. You can start with 09 or 2012, either way.
Naw, we're good. You need the time to watch film on each of our 27 UDFA's plus our draft picks for the fourth time. Don't let me distract from that.
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