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Old 05-08-2013   #441
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I said "slipping", not "slipped".

Kiper sometimes gets seriously pissed off when people don't draft the way he expected them to and when certain guys fall.

OTOH, I haven't watched him on draft day in a couple of years so maybe he's gotten better.
Sometimes things are not what they seem to be.
A guy with ten posts is not neccessarily pissed off.
Conversely, a guy with a single post might be pissed off more than he let on.
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I believe if the Vikings were concerned the Texans would take Patterson, they would have tried to trade ahead of the Texans & the Texans were most likely never looked at as a trade partner, which brings us back to the beginning....

Just because they traded for the 29th pick does not mean they were interested in the 27th pick.
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I think they wanted one or the other.
In respond to TK; it doesn't matter whether the Vikings were concerned about what the Texans may do, the fact remains they traded up to draft Patterson.

Does it matter to them if the trading partner is named Texans or Patriots?

The possibility of a trade is there; whether the Texans wanted to or not is a different matter.
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fwiw i read peter kings article about the rams draft, the Texans are mentioned a few times...

apparently we offered to trade up to #22 with the rams for a 4th & 6th rder...but they accepted the falcons trade instead to trade down to #30 (for a 3rd and 7th)

later, the rams offered a 6th to move from #30 (after they had traded down from #22) to #27 which the Texans (obviously) rejected. rick wanted a 4th rder to do that trade
If this is true than the Texans were open to trade down.
That would shoot down the saying about how "you take the guy you identified".
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BTW, Mike Mayock, who may be the most reputable draft analyst out there, did not have Hopkins in the first round. Both CBS Sports and NFL Draft Scout also had him solidly in the second.
Mayock may be the most reputable t.v. draft analyst.

An actual scout like Dan Shonka --Eagles, Redskins, Chiefs -- had DeAndre as the second WR off the board at pick 23. No other WRs in the first round, either.
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Mayock may be the most reputable t.v. draft analyst.

An actual scout like Dan Shonka --Eagles, Redskins, Chiefs -- had DeAndre as the second WR off the board at pick 23. No other WRs in the first round, either.
I read somewhere that Hopkins was the 2nd best WR behind Tavon Austin.
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Sometimes things are not what they seem to be.
A guy with ten posts is not neccessarily pissed off.
Conversely, a guy with a single post might be pissed off more than he let on.
Like I said, "slipping" not "slipped".

Kiper gets pissed off. I didn't say you had.

You're just going to unnecessary lengths to convince people you're right. That doesn't mean you're pissed off about it.
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If this is true than the Texans were open to trade down.
That would shoot down the saying about how "you take the guy you identified".
It doesn't shoot down anything. Only a fool would not pick up the phone and listen for a Ricky Williams offer. In the end they rejected what was offered and took their guy.
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Mayock may be the most reputable t.v. draft analyst.

An actual scout like Dan Shonka --Eagles, Redskins, Chiefs -- had DeAndre as the second WR off the board at pick 23. No other WRs in the first round, either.
There are a lot of ex-scouts out there, and there's no concensus, except that this class is no filled with top end talent, but there's a lot of depth.

When I started the wide receiver threat in the mock draft forum last July, I've already said that much. I also said that the 2013 class should rival the 2012 class in both quantity and quality.
As we went on, I even stated that if the underclassmen that are "expected" to come out early, this class should be even deeper than 2012.

I was correct in that regard as 28 players were drafted as compared to 22 last year.
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It doesn't shoot down anything. Only a fool would not pick up the phone and listen for a Ricky Williams offer. In the end they rejected what was offered and took their guy.
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Like I said, "slipping" not "slipped".

Kiper gets pissed off. I didn't say you had.

You're just going to unnecessary lengths to convince people you're right. That doesn't mean you're pissed off about it.
I merely responded to the "inquiries" and "comments".

The screen shots, for example, were in respond to Boyd/Hopkins; helping or hurting each other's cause.

Somebody said Boyd hurts Hopkins; I disagree!
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I just think with the depth at wr in this draft, I feel like the texans should've really been trying to trade out and attack the 2,3,4 rds of the draft. Patton,Dobson,williams,hunter,and wheaton have equal talent to hopkins. All those guys, except hunter was availiable owith the texans 2nd rd pick. I think they could've come out of the draft with a more explosive wr than hopkins later.
They sat on the clock for quite some time..... how do we know they didn't? Surely you don't want them to give away our first round pick do you?
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Does it matter to them if the trading partner is named Texans or Patriots?
No. You said if they feared the Texans would take Patterson.

If the Vikings think the Texans want Patterson, they won't ask the Texans to trade. They'll ask the team ahead of the Texans who isn't interested in a WR.

That they traded with the Patriots @ 29 does not suggest they were willing to trade up to 27 to get Patterson. More than anything, trading up after the Texans selected Hopkins suggests they wanted one of the two.

I don't know that they graded Patterson higher than Hopkins, or Hopkins higher than Patterson, only that they thought they were so close they were willing to wait until one of the two was gone.
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There are a lot of ex-scouts out there, and there's no concensus, except that this class is no filled with top end talent, but there's a lot of depth.

When I started the wide receiver threat in the mock draft forum last July, I've already said that much. I also said that the 2013 class should rival the 2012 class in both quantity and quality.
As we went on, I even stated that if the underclassmen that are "expected" to come out early, this class should be even deeper than 2012.

I was correct in that regard as 28 players were drafted as compared to 22 last year.
You know you can rupture a disc patting yourself on a back that hard.
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It didn't hit me how inexperienced our wr corps is until on the radio they mentioned that only one wr has more than 10 career catches.
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No. You said if they feared the Texans would take Patterson.

If the Vikings think the Texans want Patterson, they won't ask the Texans to trade. They'll ask the team ahead of the Texans who isn't interested in a WR.

That they traded with the Patriots @ 29 does not suggest they were willing to trade up to 27 to get Patterson. More than anything, trading up after the Texans selected Hopkins suggests they wanted one of the two.

I don't know that they graded Patterson higher than Hopkins, or Hopkins higher than Patterson, only that they thought they were so close they were willing to wait until one of the two was gone.
You're always good at going circular.

The facts still remain the same no matter how many speculations are out there.

I'd like to have a staff of closers like what the Patriots have.
They certainly were able to close a lot of deals on draft day.
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It didn't hit me how inexperienced our wr corps is until on the radio they mentioned that only one wr has more than 10 career catches.
I'm afraid that it might come back and bite the Texans in the rear similar to 2010 when they lacked solid veteran presence in the secondary.

I'm crossing my fingers that AJ can stay healthy the whole year.

I hope that Posier's condition improves as much as possible.
It would make me feel better if what Posey texted in February is true, that he doesn't think he will miss any game.
I'd settle for him to be able to come back mid-season in game shape.
But I was warned by the Doc that Posey may never be the same again.

The Texans really need to find a veteran soon.
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I'm afraid that it might come back and bite the Texans in the rear similar to 2010 when they lacked solid veteran presence in the secondary.

I'm crossing my fingers that AJ can stay healthy the whole year.

I hope that Posier's condition improves as much as possible.
It would make me feel better if what Posey texted in February is true, that he doesn't think he will miss any game.
I'd settle for him to be able to come back mid-season in game shape.
But I was warned by the Doc that Posey may never be the same again.

The Texans really need to find a veteran soon.
I wouldn't be too worried. The 2010 secondary like you said had no solid veteran presence. On offense it would be AJ, Daniels, Foster, Schaub taking over while not asking Hopkins to do much. Lets hope Hopkins takes advantage of the man to man and demands safety help and double coverage. It will make everyone better.
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Howdy all. Just wanted to say as a die hard, long time Gamecocks fan living in Columbia SC, i think Houston got the best all around WR in the draft. Time will tell if that's true of course but i really think he is.

He's not a low 4.3 blazer like Austin as some of you already know by studying up on him, but he's fast enough to be a home run threat and make big plays. He does everything quite well and can do it in either the slot or as an outside #2 WR. Something Austin probably won't be able to do in the NFL (other than a returner of course) due to his small frame and small catch radius. Hopkins gives you more options and is more versatile for a wider variety of offensive packages.

My only knock or area where i think Nuk needs and can improve that is vital in Houstons offense is his blocking. I think he needs to be stronger in that area and more aggressive there. Swearinger even got him during the SC/Clemson game last year about Nuks lack of it and told him he's "going to get his RB killed" if he doesn't block better. But that is something that can be coached up and i think Nuk will work his butt off to improve int hat area. He's a coachable kid.

Even though i despise Clemson, i always give credit where credit is due and Hopkins is a heck of player. Great route runner, excellent hands, he'll fight for the ball, and he's excellent after the catch. Things i've witnessed first hand. I think he's just the type of WO the Texans were looking for to help their offense and feel pretty confident he won't let you or the organization down.

Anywho, looking forward to checking out the forum and following Nuk and Swearinger and Montgomery, who i was really hoping he would commit to South Carolina since he's from the area, careers and wish them all nothing but great success.
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Howdy all. Just wanted to say as a die hard, long time Gamecocks fan living in Columbia SC, i think Houston got the best all around WR in the draft. Time will tell if that's true of course but i really think he is.

He's not a low 4.3 blazer like Austin as some of you already know by studying up on him, but he's fast enough to be a home run threat and make big plays. He does everything quite well and can do it in either the slot or as an outside #2 WR. Something Austin probably won't be able to do in the NFL (other than a returner of course) due to his small frame and small catch radius. Hopkins gives you more options and is more versatile for a wider variety of offensive packages.

My only knock or area where i think Nuk needs and can improve that is vital in Houstons offense is his blocking. I think he needs to be stronger in that area and more aggressive there. Swearinger even got him during the SC/Clemson game last year about Nuks lack of it and told him he's "going to get his RB killed" if he doesn't block better. But that is something that can be coached up and i think Nuk will work his butt off to improve int hat area. He's a coachable kid.

Even though i despise Clemson, i always give credit where credit is due and Hopkins is a heck of player. Great route runner, excellent hands, he'll fight for the ball, and he's excellent after the catch. Things i've witnessed first hand. I think he's just the type of WO the Texans were looking for to help their offense and feel pretty confident he won't let you or the organization down.

Anywho, looking forward to checking out the forum and following Nuk and Swearinger and Montgomery, who i was really hoping he would commit to South Carolina since he's from the area, careers and wish them all nothing but great success.
Welcome to TexansTalk. Thanks for the input. Looking forward to seeing these guys in action.
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