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Watching more game tapes of Montgomery...
Can we dispel the taking plays off/not trying hard moniker he's been given?
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Can we dispel the taking plays off/not trying hard moniker he's been given?
Yes we may.

Also, while watching the Clemson game, I heard that both edge guys were a little banged up coming into the game (even though they had had some rest.)
Then Montgomery went down early in the fourth, wincing.
He came back to play about 3 or 4 snaps, but then they shut him down.

The Clemson offense was more efficient without Montgomery in the D for LSU.
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Cool, thanks. Amazing how internet fiction sticks.
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Lots of noise for sure!
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With the drafting of these 2 rush guys early, I think Wade had an eye on versatility and wants to cut down on rotations seeing as how NE had our defensive personnel looking confused and silly on more than 1 occasion in 2 separate games last year.....largely b/c of guys rotating in attempting to match personnel packages.
If that was his concern, he screwed up big time. He should have been looking for a true LB, not tweener DEs.

No, this is about getting to the QB, making sure Tom Terrific doesn't sit back there & play his game. With the season Watt & Antonio had in 2012, there's no excuse for not getting to the QB more often.
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If that was his concern, he screwed up big time. He should have been looking for a true LB, not tweener DEs.

No, this is about getting to the QB, making sure Tom Terrific doesn't sit back there & play his game. With the season Watt & Antonio had in 2012, there's no excuse for not getting to the QB more often.
but if that true lb wasn't there (Andre Brown), you don't reach for him...you grab the next best thing..

Furthermore, Thomas Brady is 1 of the best qb's against the blitz and one of the best qbs in terms of working the pocket. You can't just sit back & blitz all game (didn't work out too well for us last year) and you can't sit back in coverage alone b/c he'll really kill you. It's gotta be some combo of both. I think the versatility both these guys bring will allow us to be much more flexible than we've ever been since wade arrived here.
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I think the versatility both these guys bring will allow us to be much more flexible than we've ever been since wade arrived here.
& where's the versatility these guys bring? They're edge rushers..... period. Montgomery can play the run, but it's at the line. Take these two guys off the LOS & it's a box of chocolate.
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& where's the versatility these guys bring? They're edge rushers..... period. Montgomery can play the run, but it's at the line. Take these two guys off the LOS & it's a box of chocolate.

Montgomery has shown he can play the run well. Couple that with Wade and the Texans stating that they will try him out at SAM OLB 1st...that alone implies that they feel he can cover a little bit in short space too. There are also at least a few here who feel like he could be groomed as Antonio Smith's cheaper replacement if he puts on 10-15lbs...not far fetched at all when you consider all variables.

Then you've got Williams who size wise is probably not a good fit for OLB in a 3-4 b/c he may loose a little of his greatest asset as an edge rusher (speed, explosiveness) if you ask him to put poundage on.....& he'll need to do that to play OLB in a 3-4 there's no way around that.

But if you look at him as a potential MLB candidate to pair along side Cush in the 3-4 you can see he's damn identical to Cush from the numbers standpoint when he came out. The Dude can flat out run which lends itself to him being able to cover TE's and backs out of the backfield. The only difference really is what they were asked to do at their respective schools...Williams wasn't really asked to cover a lot at UCONN. I however feel he's athletic enough to get better at that. It may take him a year, but i think he can do it b/c he's a fluid athlete..just going from what i've seen of him .

Obviously both have also shown a penchant for rushing the passer. With the athleticism both these guys possess as described above, we have the potential to get more pass rushers on the field without necessarily sacrificing support in the run game / passing game..which is what we had happening last year. less substituting to accomodate certain looks b/c we can cover it with our base personnel....
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I disagree with almost everything in that post Mr Tex....

Our edge pressure/rushing was anemic last year. These guys were taken to give us more options on the edge.

If they aren't good edge rushers then they'll fall into the Brooks Reed category and people will start wanting to move them to other positions.
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I disagree with almost everything in that post Mr Tex....

Our edge pressure/rushing was anemic last year. These guys were taken to give us more options on the edge.

If they aren't good edge rushers then they'll fall into the Brooks Reed category and people will start wanting to move them to other positions.
Lol, i hear ya, i just think that it's a bit deeper than that.
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Just read the interview..... gotta say I loved this answer

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A: “Yes, and actually when I get done with the combine, I am going to start working on dropbacks, DB drills as well as linebacker drills. As my footwork has increased my confidence has (too), and I think it’s time to take my game to the next level. Hand on the ground, pass rush move, and being an agile linebacker.”
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Wade on the radio a little while ago confirming what I already knew...

The coverage responsibilities of the OLB's are overrated.

Wade's exact words: "If you can rush the passer, you can play OLB"

He talked about how all the guys he's had throughout his career have been converted DE's. Talked about how he's had some guys that weren't all that nimble, but they could rush the passer.

Said the coverage stuff is not that difficult and it's not like they are going to be playing a bunch of man to man over TE's.

I think too many people think of this defense as a traditional 3-4. They want a big NT...OLB's that can cover TE's in man to man...280+ lb DE's....

This has been said before, but this defense is more like a 5-2 when the NT is on the field and a 4-2 or 4-1 when we go to our pass defense formations.

Regardless, the pass coverage duties of the OLB's have been overstated around here and Wade himself said it's not that big of a deal.
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Wade on the radio a little while ago confirming what I already knew...

The coverage responsibilities of the OLB's are overrated.

Wade's exact words: "If you can rush the passer, you can play OLB"

He talked about how all the guys he's had throughout his career have been converted DE's. Talked about how he's had some guys that weren't all that nimble, but they could rush the passer.

Said the coverage stuff is not that difficult and it's not like they are going to be playing a bunch of man to man over TE's.

I think too many people think of this defense as a traditional 3-4. They want a big NT...OLB's that can cover TE's in man to man...280+ lb DE's....

This has been said before, but this defense is more like a 5-2 when the NT is on the field and a 4-2 or 4-1 when we go to our pass defense formations.

Regardless, the pass coverage duties of the OLB's have been overstated around here and Wade himself said it's not that big of a deal.
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That's what I was thinking.

Montgomery's going to be setting the edge, holding the POA, disrupting the TE on passing plays, getting after the QB based on hard work as opposed to speed, and not doing much covering. Those are all things I think he can do and excel at.
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I think too many people think of this defense as a traditional 3-4. They want a big NT...OLB's that can cover TE's in man to man...280+ lb DE's....
I agree.


But we do have 280+ lb DEs.
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But we do have 280+ lb DEs.
I was saying all that stuff as a package deal. Meaning each position has those traits to make the defense ideal.
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But we do have 280+ lb DEs.
Yes, they're all over 280. Not by much, but it confirms the 280+ description

Watt - 295
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Yes, they're all over 280. Not by much, but it confirms the 280+ description

Watt - 295
Smith - 284
Jamison - 285
Crick - 287
Delano Johnson has beefed up to 290 lbs. and moved from outside linebacker to defensive end. Johnson is an athletic and powerful player who showed some of that skill set today. On the practice squad last season, Johnson has been a sleeper for us and has a chance to stick with this team if he can get the position down quickly before camp opens.

Looks like you can add Johnson to the DE group now. He was one of those tweener LB's in size, 265lbs, last season & it looks like he made the conversion. I think this could always be an option for Montgomery in the future as well if LB doesn't pan out. Im not a big fan of this pick, but there are options if he can't cut it at LB. Time will tell. I thought Johnson showed some potential last season so it will be interesting to see what he can do at DE & if he can push Jamison & Crick.
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But we do have 280+ lb DEs.
Didn't realize that we had Delano Johnson bulk up to 290.

Checked back to last season and during the draft he was 266 playing OLB. He's now 290 and playing DE.

Will be interesting to see if he can make the 53 man roster.
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