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Old 04-19-2013   #21
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I would do it. People say he can't play but he won a division title and a playoff game in his only year as a starter.

He may have a funny release and his accuracy comes and goes but i know he could win those close game at the end.

He got as far as Peyton did last year. Just saying.
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I don't see why not... u know I was reading a mock draft mag today and it had the Texans Pick Geno smith if just some how he fell 2 us which I doubt but do u think we Texans will bite if Geno falls al the way to us
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I would do it. People say he can't play but he won a division title and a playoff game in his only year as a starter.

He may have a funny release and his accuracy comes and goes but i know he could win those close game at the end.

He got as far as Peyton did last year. Just saying.
Please. Tebow won nothing. The team basically didn't suck as bad as the division to get into the playoffs at 8-8.

I hate the playoffs argument and this shows its absurdity comparing Tebow getting actually one stage farther than Manning as reflecting on the QB's. By that logic Schaub made it just as far as Tebow and one stage further than Manning as well.

PS - his accuracy doesn't come and go. It is non-existent. If you are connecting 47.9% of the time it is time to put down the rifle and buy a shotgun.
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I would do it. People say he can't play but he won a division title and a playoff game in his only year as a starter.

He may have a funny release and his accuracy comes and goes but i know he could win those close game at the end.

He got as far as Peyton did last year. Just saying.
And that's why I, too, see no harm in making him QB3.

For Pete's sake, we had Matt Leinart as our QB2 in 2011! Matt. LEINART.

Orlovsky. Rosenfels. Grossman. Leinart.

Just can't understand the blowback on adding Tebow as QB3. It'd be saying he's only here as an emergency QB, and if it came down to using our QB3 then we're just winging it anyways...so, why not let it be a guy that has shown he can make defenses respect his ability to run?

If not Tebow, then let it be Yates or Case or Dysert...just somebody who isn't locked down to the tackle box. We've become the Drew Bledsoe-era Patriots. All it takes is taking a risk at QB.
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We've become the Drew Bledsoe-era Patriots. All it takes is taking a risk at QB.
People seriously forget and/or underestimate how good Drew Bledsoe was before his injury. And if we have become that, where the hell is the Super Bowl?
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People seriously forget and/or underestimate how good Drew Bledsoe was before his injury. And if we have become that, where the hell is the Super Bowl?
If Matt Schuab becomes Drew Bledsoe, Texans fans should be happy. He led the Pats to a Super Bowl appearance in the 90s and replaced an injured Tom Brady in the AFC Championship game in 2002.
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If Matt Schuab becomes Drew Bledsoe, Texans fans should be happy. He led the Pats to a Super Bowl appearance in the 90s and replaced an injured Tom Brady in the AFC Championship game in 2002.
Yep. My overriding point is that the Texans are not close to the Bledsoe era Pats. And Tebow is nowhere close to Schaub, much less Bledsoe.
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Nice stats.

Resilient in the face of injury

Pro Bowl QB coming off of playoff ousters

And eventually watched another QB take his starting position due to injury...and was never the same again, with the exception of a singular encore performance when Brady was injured.

Minus his loss as a starter in the Super Bowl, his nice stats and Pro Bowls and injury challenges look like a lot like Matt Schaub. Yeah, duh, he's not exactly like Drew Bledsoe. But I think the two guys compare fairly well with their style of QB'ing and the hard luck they both faced when injuries hit them.


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Bledsoe was drafted first overall in the 1993 NFL Draft by the New England Patriots. He started right away for the Patriots in his rookie season, as they improved from two to five wins.

On November 13, 1994, the Patriots had won just three of their first nine games and were losing 20-3 to the Minnesota Vikings at halftime. Bledsoe led a comeback victory in which the Patriots won 26-20 in overtime, as he set single game records in pass completions (45) and attempts (70).[5] By remaining undefeated throughout the succeeding games, the Patriots earned their first postseason appearance in eight years.[6] Bledsoe started all 16 games that season and went on to set a NFL record in pass attempts (691), becoming the second NFL quarterback to complete 400 or more passes in a season (400), and led the league in passing yards (4,555).[7] Due to his performance, Bledsoe was selected to his first Pro Bowl as an alternate.

Following a difficult 1995 season, Bledsoe turned it around in 1996 ranking among the top passers in the league with the help of wide receiver Terry Glenn, thus pushing the Patriots to reach the playoffs again and winning the AFC championship against the Jacksonville Jaguars 20-6. This led to an appearance in Super Bowl XXXI, where they lost to the Green Bay Packers by the score of 35-21. Bledsoe completed 25 of 48 passes for 253 yards, with two touchdowns and four interceptions in the loss. He was also named a starter for the Pro Bowl that season, the second of his career.

During the 1997 season, Bledsoe helped the Patriots win five of their final seven games to once again qualify for the playoffs, the fourth time in eight years as a Patriots starter he would lead the team to a postseason appearance. The Patriots lost in the second round to the Pittsburgh Steelers, however Bledsoe built a career-high 87.7 passer rating, passed for 3706 yards, tossed 28 Touchdowns, and earned his third Pro Bowl invitation.

The following year, he became the first NFL quarterback to complete game-winning touchdown passes in the final 30 seconds of two consecutive games.[8] In doing so, he propelled New England into the postseason for the third straight year. He completed these come-from-behind efforts while playing with a broken index finger on his throwing hand, an injury that would later sideline him for the postseason.

Bledsoe started the 1999 season very strongly, with 13 touchdowns and only four interceptions as the Patriots held a 6-2 mid-season record. However, Bledsoe subsequently threw only six touchdowns versus 17 interceptions, and the team faltered to an 8-8 record. The slide continued into 2000's 5-11 season. While Bledsoe threw a career low 13 interceptions that year, he was sacked 45 times.

Nonetheless, in March 2001, Bledsoe was signed to a then-record ten-year, $103 million contract.[9] Bledsoe did not, however, finish his career with the Patriots, nor even see the opening of the new Gillette Stadium. During the second game of the 2001 season, Bledsoe was hit by New York Jets linebacker Mo Lewis and suffered a sheared blood vessel in his chest. Replacing Bledsoe at quarterback, soon-to-be superstar All-Pro quarterback Tom Brady led the Patriots to an eventual Super Bowl championship. Though he never regained his starting role, Bledsoe nevertheless proved integral to his team's playoff run when he replaced a hobbled Brady in the AFC Championship Game against Pittsburgh. Bledsoe, starting from the Steelers 40 yard line, capped a scoring drive with an 11-yard touchdown pass to David Patten to seal a 24-17 victory. In gaining the conference title Bledsoe completed 10 of 21 passes for 102 yards and a touchdown, with no interceptions.[10]

Appreciative of his lengthy tenure with the team, Patriots fans cheered Bledsoe in each of his three returns to New England as a visiting player.
Bledsoe's #11 jersey was not re-issued until the 2009 season, when Julian Edelman took the number.

On May 16, 2011, Bledsoe was voted by Patriots fans into the Patriots Hall of Fame.[11] He was formally inducted in a public ceremony outside The Hall at Patriot Place on September 17, 2011. Bledsoe beat former head coach Bill Parcells and defensive lineman Houston Antwine in a fan vote.

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A change of scenery—by way of a trade[12]—to Bledsoe's former division rival Buffalo seemed to give him a bit of rejuvenation in 2002. He had one of his best seasons ever, passing for 4,359 yards and 24 touchdowns and making his fourth trip to the Pro Bowl. In Week 2 against the Minnesota Vikings, Bledsoe set a team record with 463 yards passing in an overtime win. He continued his strong play in 2003 as the Bills began the year 2-0. However, a flurry of injuries stymied the Bills offense; they failed to score a touchdown in three consecutive games en route to a 6-10 season. In 2004, they fell one game short of making the playoffs; a late season winning streak went for naught when Bledsoe and the Bills performed poorly against the Pittsburgh Steelers backups in the season finale.[13]

Bledsoe was released by the Bills after the 2004 season to make way for backup quarterback J.P. Losman. It was the second time that his team had let him go for a younger quarterback. When Bledsoe was later signed by the Dallas Cowboys, he expressed bitterness with the Bills for the move, stating "I can't wait to go home and dress my kids in little stars and get rid of the other team's [Buffalo's] stuff."[14]
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Tebow. There, I said it. Boo me. Hiss me. Do your worst.

But remember: His days in NY are not indicative of who he is as a QB. That place is severely dysfunctional and nobody there is thriving. NOBODY.

1. He moves and extends plays. End of story, you know what and who I am talking about here. Tebow is mobile, Tebow can withstand a blitz from a DB or smaller LB.

2. He's a RZ dream come true. Red Zone problems, huh? yeah, well this is the guy you want when you have to make a TD and not a FG since you're only 10 yards away from the EZ. Defenses are guessing what the play is with Tebow, because he can run or fake run & throw, he can fake run and pump fake and then run anyway. He presents problems for defenses near the EZ.

3. He'd by QB3, emergency QB on game days and scout team during the week. Trade Schaub to NYJ for Tebow and a NYJ mid-round pick (late 4th or early 5th round, let's say). Tell him he's QB3 behind yates and keenum. Run scout team, be suited up and on the sidelines on game days as QB3, and wait for a chance like Leinart received in 2011. It can happen, so it should be clear to him the rules of warfare for his time here.

4. What is to lose? We lost Schaub, but seriously...so what. We know what his ceiling is in a playoff setting vs. a team not named Bengals. And even in the Bengals game, folks, he did NOT impress. He squeaked by. And that same level of talent was there in the next round vs. NE too. But it didn't get over.

I just think Tebow is not the same as Carr or Young. Carr never worked hard, Vince was dumb. Tebow is a hard worker, a motivator, and he's not stupid like Vince is. He possibly could be a low risk, high reward here in Houston and it clears the way for more mobility at QB instead of slothman Matt Schaub who isn't really giving us a chance aghainst more savvy defenses.
I'm just waiting for the Smith//Kubiak/Schaub era to end, so sure, bring him on.

I've seen enough of the existing regime to completely lose my interest.
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Tried to tell people why Tebow was so successful in college and why he wasn't much of a pro prospect in many posts including this one when he was at Florida. I'm not sure why some people haven't figured it out yet.
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Low risk high reward doesn't exist. Your potential reward is directly tied into the risk you are taking.


Trading Matt is where your idea turns to total crap


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Wow..just wow..
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I'm just waiting for the Smith//Kubiak/Schaub era to end, so sure, bring him on.

I've seen enough of the existing regime to completely lose my interest.
Same here. There won't be anything new under the sun with Gary Kubiak as head coach and Schaub at QB.

I do think, however, that Rick Smith has earned his keep. Every team loses veterans once they hit free agency at the end of a rookie contract, and our success has made our free agents in high demand...which goes back to a good GM drafting well.
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Arm Strength - Tebow
Career TD/Int Ratio - Schaub 58.5% INT- Tebow 53% INT
Pocket Presence - Schaub
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Mobility - Tebow
Extending Plays - Tebow
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Playoff Wins - Tie
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Tebow?

we talking about the same Tebow that has a career QB rating of 75 and couldn't beat out buttfumble(who was one of the worst qb's in the league) during the season and they started McElroy instead of him when Sanchez got benched?
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we talking about the same Tebow that has a career QB rating of 75 and couldn't beat out buttfumble(who was one of the worst qb's in the league) during the season and they started McElroy instead of him when Sanchez got benched?
Yeah it has gotten that ridiculous.

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Pocket Presence - Schaub
Versatility - Tebow
Mobility - Tebow
Extending Plays - Tebow
Reading Defenses - Schaub based on playing time, not mistake free football.
Regular Season Experience - Schaub
Durability - Tebow
Playoff Wins - Tie
Leadership - Tebow


Interesting topic.
You left out who is a starting QB v. who is about to be out of the league. Win - Schaub.
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Arm Strength - Tebow
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Versatility - Tebow
Mobility - Tebow
Extending Plays - Tebow
Reading Defenses - Schaub based on playing time, not mistake free football.
Regular Season Experience - Schaub
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Playoff Wins - Tie
Leadership - Tebow


Interesting topic.

If tebow played more or threw as many times as nfl starters do his int numbers would be worse
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If tebow played more or threw as many times as nfl starters do his int numbers would be worse
Unfounded speculation until it happens. I think with more paying time he would improve.
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