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Old 04-09-2013   #21
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Mayock timed Allen at 4.71 and 4.75
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Mayock timed Allen at 4.71 and 4.75
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Allen is obviously still injured. His agent shouldn't have let him run.
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Mayock timed Allen at 4.71 and 4.75
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Yeah that's terrible...Mike Williams from USC terrible......but it backs up what i see from him when watch tape. People get quickness and fast mixed up. Allen's got slightly above average quickness...but he's not fast. That doesn't make for a great #1 or #2 imo.
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Jerry Rice ran a 4.7, right?
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He will be there #27 so will Texans select him?
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Jerry Rice ran a 4.7, right?
Jerry was actually faster....4.5-6 i believe...in any event, lol at comparing the GOAT wr to an incoming rookie with knee issues.
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Jerry was actually faster....4.5-6 i believe...in any event, lol at comparing the GOAT wr to an incoming rookie with knee issues.
According to reports, Jerry Rice ran a 4.71. And in your opinion, that doesn't make for a great #1 or #2.

Arian Foster also ran a bad 40 time... because he was injured and decided to run. I don't know if Keenan Allen is going to be any good or not. But you can't just look at a 40 time and figure it out. Especially a 40 time run by a guy that's injured.
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I am much more concerned at how many regular season games before Allen can contribute? Lestar Jean comes to mind.
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According to reports, Jerry Rice ran a 4.71. And in your opinion, that doesn't make for a great #1 or #2.

Arian Foster also ran a bad 40 time... because he was injured and decided to run. I don't know if Keenan Allen is going to be any good or not. But you can't just look at a 40 time and figure it out. Especially a 40 time run by a guy that's injured.
ehh, point taken..i'm just weary of drafting a guy that i feel isn't going to be able to separate with his long speed. cb's tend to want to sit on routes and jam you up at the LOS when they're not afraid of you running past them. To be able to get deep on a consistent basis with that kind of long speed you've got to be a technician as far as running routes is concerned. Jerry and Larry Fitzgerald come to mind...I don't see that with this kid.....imo of course.

Maybe i'm wrong....i didn't want the texans to draft JJ Watt..thought he was a lumbering, try-hard.....needless to say......................
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His movement are so sudden; as a CB they can't sit back in a cushion.
When they hesitate for a fraction, Allen has that second gear that will burn you before you know it.

Like Mayock said; watching the tapes he's a 4.55 guy all day long.

Personally, I think Allen is a low 4.5 guy, at least.
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Not concerned at all. It was a bad move by his agent to let him workout. Allen will be a good receiver in the pros. Maybe not great, but he will play for a long time (barring injuries).
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i'm just weary of drafting a guy that i feel isn't going to be able to separate with his long speed.
And that's what we'd miss with Allen. It's not everything, but it's important if you want a WR with enough speed to atleast make the deep safety fade a bit when he's going deep to help the corner over top. And Robert Woods gives you that, I'm sure hoping we have a chance to take him.
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Allen is probably a safe pick, but if he doesn't threaten deep I dont see a new dimension added. I'm looking for Hunter or Woods in the first, and Williams or Wheaton in the 2nd. I'm ok with selecting a boom or bust pick because at some point Posey will be comming back. I guess I think of that as a fail safe.

Who would be our starters today? Aj and....jean or martin? Am I missing someone? Seems to me we almost HAVE TO draft a wr early and another late for insurance.
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Allen is probably a safe pick, but if he doesn't threaten deep I dont see a new dimension added. I'm looking for Hunter or Woods in the first, and Williams or Wheaton in the 2nd. I'm ok with selecting a boom or bust pick because at some point Posey will be comming back. I guess I think of that as a fail safe.

Who would be our starters today? Aj and....jean or martin? Am I missing someone? Seems to me we almost HAVE TO draft a wr early and another late for insurance.
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Allen, slow injury prone= pass

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If speed is your primary concern then there are plenty in this draft such that you don't have to reach for any guy.

And I'm not saying the guys you look at late has nothing but speed.

This draft class is so deep at WR, there's no telling how their careers will end up.

If we take the TT Mock Draft as a barometer, I'm thinking at least one of the guys who have yet to be taken can end up being at least a solid #2 receiver some time down the road. When I have some time, I'll give their cases.

We're in round six now, and I just picked up Cobi Hamilton who has that upside.
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Gimme a nose tackle in the first...take advantage of the deep class and get a quality wr talent in the 2nd. Add in another wr between the 5th and 7th. Sprinkle in some linebackers and a safety along the way. Done.
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I think some conferences are slower than others by far . A guy from the Big 12 tears it up , gets drafted high , and is ok at best . SEC and ACC guys seem to play faster .
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Gimme a nose tackle in the first...take advantage of the deep class and get a quality wr talent in the 2nd. Add in another wr between the 5th and 7th. Sprinkle in some linebackers and a safety along the way. Done.
Seems like a great plan to me.

I think they invest a 3rd on an OT also.

I'm going to do a mock draft soon and there should be WR's better than Jean/Martin available in rd 5. Unfortunately my mock will look alot like Corrosion's TT Mock Draft.
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Seems like a great plan to me.

I think they invest a 3rd on an OT also.

I'm going to do a mock draft soon and there should be WR's better than Jean/Martin available in rd 5. Unfortunately my mock will look alot like Corrosion's TT Mock Draft.
But Jean Martin sounds like a pirate name .

I think WR does have a lot of depth with little separation between them . I could see them loving a player at one of the following , NT , OLB , WR , TE . I left of DE and ILB cause JJ and Cush will cost them and you'll have to spread out the money .
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Quicker y'all learn to accept him the easier his transition. Fate has aligned in Texans favor once again
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