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Old 04-07-2013   #41
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What if what if mannnn !!!!!!!!!


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How would that have played to fans who wanted to see the rookie #1 pick? As you inferred, hindsight is always 20/20. But that would have been tough to explain, when so many other #1 picks (Aikman, Bledsoe, Couch) all started as rookies.
Well, Couch was the only one of those to start on an expansion franchise (though Aikman's first season the Cowboys could have passed for one). I think the fans would have been fine with sitting Carr for a year if the team said he wasn't ready. It's not like the Tim Couch example wasn't pretty recent at that stage. All they would have had to do was point to Cleveland and say "You don't want to see that happen to our new franchise QB do you?"

Of course the sensible way for the Texans to avoid that situation would have been to draft Peppers and build their OL and DL before trying to draft the face of the franchise QB. I like to think that if the same situation came up today McNair would know better than to sign off on that plan.
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Well, Couch was the only one of those to start on an expansion franchise (though Aikman's first season the Cowboys could have passed for one). I think the fans would have been fine with sitting Carr for a year if the team said he wasn't ready. It's not like the Tim Couch example wasn't pretty recent at that stage. All they would have had to do was point to Cleveland and say "You don't want to see that happen to our new franchise QB do you?"

Of course the sensible way for the Texans to avoid that situation would have been to draft Peppers and build their OL and DL before trying to draft the face of the franchise QB. I like to think that if the same situation came up today McNair would know better than to sign off on that plan.
You would hope BoB would've learned.

Regardless of the sacks, Carr would've never been successful. He wasn't a student of the game and had a poor work ethic. That's a receipe for failure.
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Try re-reading the first clause of your sentence I quoted.

Treating "just as successful" = anything short of "missing the playoffs" is ridiculous.
You're wrong, plain & simple. Think about it before you speak again. You're only hurting yourself.

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These guys would have had ample opportunity to win the starting job & we'd have probably enjoyed as much success as we have with Schaub.
"We"

As in the Texans would probably have enjoyed as much success from 2007 to 2013. In the context of the Texans, success is winning games, winning the division, getting to the play offs, & winning in the play offs.

Despite all of Schaub's yards & stats, the Texans have not been winning (until recently) & that is what everyone has been saying. So when we're talking about winning, when we're talking about play offs as "success" we could have put Mark Sanchez back there & been just as successful (maybe more) between 2007 & 2010.

& I'm using Sanchez as a QB who's in over his head, where Chad Henne & Kevin Kolb are "probably" better QBs, even though their teams have not had the "success" that teams led by Sanchez has had.
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I think the fans would have been fine with sitting Carr for a year if the team said he wasn't ready. new franchise QB do you?"
I don't know if it would have been a good thing for the Texans to say Carr wasn't ready.

It would have been a better sell, to say the team wasn't ready for a rookie QB. & with the sack numbers we saw, I'm sure the fans would have understood.
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I think the fans would have been fine with sitting Carr for a year if the team said he wasn't ready.
I remember being happy they would start him. I was thinking he needed to learn on the go and it would help him. One of the first season games was against the chargers when Carr was sacked something like a dozen times and beat to hell. My opinion changed. Capers, Casserly, and Palmer castrated Carr. He wouldve never been great ,but he had a chance to be average.
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Even Carr asked for better lineman and the regime just shrugged it off. They had a decent run game with Domanik Davis and there was very minimal improvement. Can't say that Carr would've been better but by the time he got a run game, dude was shell shocked so we will never know.
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Funny conversation. I was just wondering today how hard the rest of the team is really working in the off-season if they don't feel like Schaub can get the job done. I wonder if they are just taking care of themselves, and not really striving to get to the next level since it seems improbable they have the right QB to take the next step?
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Even Carr asked for better lineman and the regime just shrugged it off. They had a decent run game with Domanik Davis and there was very minimal improvement. Can't say that Carr would've been better but by the time he got a run game, dude was shell shocked so we will never know.
How many offensive linemen came through here during the Carr years? & while they never spent a first round pick on one, they did draft Chester Pitts in the second.

I don't know that they "shrugged" it off. They tried to fix the OL. Maybe they didn't draft enough in the first two rounds, but they were trying to build a team.

Our OL today has only one guy drafted in the first three rounds.
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How many offensive linemen came through here during the Carr years? & while they never spent a first round pick on one, they did draft Chester Pitts in the second.

I don't know that they "shrugged" it off. They tried to fix the OL. Maybe they didn't draft enough in the first two rounds, but they were trying to build a team.

Our OL today has only one guy drafted in the first three rounds.
Some of us believed Todd Wade would be a bulldozer on the right side.

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I just took a look, and the Texans invested quite a bit in their O-linemen for Carr.

Granted, it's never good for a young QB to start for an expansion team, Carr was among the problems, along with McNair.
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Carr was among the problems, along with McNair.
Many have said Chris Palmer killed Carr's career.
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Many have said Chris Palmer killed Carr's career.
Many have also said Carr killed Carr's career
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I guess Palmer's job is to go around the NFL killing QBs' career.
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Many have also said Carr killed Carr's career
He had the athletic ability, and skill-set. Guess the question is did he start making the poor decisions because of the pounding he took based on the horrible line and possible poor advice from his OC, or did his poor decisions cause the sacks and mistakes? From what I saw, I think the later was true for most of his career here, and by the time Kubiak took over he was just damaged goods and had no chance. Given a different OC, chance to learn for a year or so on the bench, and better line, I feel he could have had a bright future.

Must not be so terribly horrible now, since he keeps getting the back-up gig to Eli, and this year many could argue there was better potential options for the Giants but they still choose to re-sign Carr.
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He had the athletic ability, and skill-set. Guess the question is did he start making the poor decisions because of the pounding he took based on the horrible line and possible poor advice from his OC, or did his poor decisions cause the sacks and mistakes? From what I saw, I think the later was true for most of his career here, and by the time Kubiak took over he was just damaged goods and had no chance. Given a different OC, chance to learn for a year or so on the bench, and better line, I feel he could have had a bright future.

Must not be so terribly horrible now, since he keeps getting the back-up gig to Eli, and this year many could argue there was better potential options for the Giants but they still choose to re-sign Carr.
You forgot two things...

His desire and work ethic...


It's pretty well documented at this point that DC wasn't a kick me out the gym kind of guy.
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As with all things, the truth is somewhere in between...I have 0 doubt that the pounding Carr took had some kind of impact on his development as an NFL qb. He had alot on his plate.

-A rookie learning how to play in the NFL at the most important position.

-The face of an expansion franchise and city that was football starved for 10 years

-The annointed leader of a team full of practice squad quality players on offense... many of which didn't even deserve to be in the NFL.

Then there were the expectations as the #1 overall pick...

I could definitely see how all of that could break a guy down to where you just don't enjoy playing the game anymore........................especially after getting lit up for a good 2 seasons.

but i also think that he was mentally weak too though...moreso than normal to where he likely couldn't handle being under the microscope he was put under. In the end, I don't think it wouldv'e taken much for him to wilt.
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Read this and tell me what you think about his mental make-up.

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Carr/Carr_bio.html

The distance between Bakersfield and Fresno is 103 miles - for reference.
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Read this and tell me what you think about his mental make-up.

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Carr/Carr_bio.html

The distance between Bakersfield and Fresno is 103 miles - for reference.
Interesting read. When a guy like Shanahan says that you listen ... just didn't turn out that way.
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