Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft > Mock Draft Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Mock Draft Talk Mock Drafts, group Mocks and links to all the shamockery.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-05-2013   #1
jppaul
Cut and Dry
 
jppaul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 32
Posts: 450
Rep Power: 1192 jppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Who are your round one targets?

So who are your round one targets, ie who would you be at least alright with in the first (the prospects I am listing are ones I believe have a shot of being there when the texans come on the clock, in order of preference within position):

WR

Coradelle Patterson
Justin Hunter
Keenan Allen

OT

Menelik Watson

OG

Justin Pugh
Kyle Long

TE

Eiffert
Ertz

DE

Sheldon Richardson (i think he can play de for us)
Datone Jones
Bjoern Werner

DT

Sylvester Williams
Jonathan Jenkins
Kazan Short

OLB

Jarvis Jones

ILB

Alec Ogletree

S

Kenny Vacarro
jppaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #2
mussop
Hall of Fame
 
mussop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,705
Rep Power: 58359 mussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
Chance Warmack OG Alabama
Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee

Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
Star Lotuleilei DT Utah
Desmond Trufant CB Washington
DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St.
D.J. Fluker* OT/OG Alabama

Keenan Allen WR Cal
Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
Kenny Vacarro S Texas
Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
Arthur Brown ILB/OLB Kansas State
Kawaan Short DT Purdue
Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International
Johnathan Banks CB Mississippi St.
Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State

John Jenkins NT Georgia

Any of these guys in the first will make me happy. The bolded are my favorites.
__________________
"I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." Albert Einstein
mussop is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #3
76Texan
Hall of Fame
 
76Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,033
Rep Power: 57325 76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Like I said in the other thread, SEVERAL players that you guys want are available later-to-much later.

Trading down to the mid-to-late second is the best option.
You can get 3 good players instead of 2.
76Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #4
Rey
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 14,475
Rep Power: 0 Rey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Justin Hunter....


A couple months ago I would have said Dion Jordan, but that is a pipe dream at this point. Would love it if he falls for some reason.

But that's not likely to happen...

Sooooo....I would take Hunter if I were the Texans. Or Margus Hunt...

I like Tavon Austin too, but I'd rather have Hunter or Hunt.
Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #5
mussop
Hall of Fame
 
mussop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,705
Rep Power: 58359 mussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respectedmussop is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
Justin Hunter....


A couple months ago I would have said Dion Jordan, but that is a pipe dream at this point. Would love it if he falls for some reason.

But that's not likely to happen...

Sooooo....I would take Hunter if I were the Texans. Or Margus Hunt...

I like Tavon Austin too, but I'd rather have Hunter or Hunt.
In the first? No thanks on Hunt or Hunter.
__________________
"I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." Albert Einstein
mussop is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #6
Scooter
Funky
 
Scooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 34
Posts: 4,643
Rep Power: 53247 Scooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respectedScooter is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

there are two guys that i target in this draft, the first being justin hunter. watching him, i see a #1 pro receiver. he has everything i'd want in a wide receiver, with the only knock being potential for injury. given his size and (reported) weight loss for the combine, i'd be pretty confident he could put some weight back on and increase strength without losing any mobility.

the second guy is kyle long. ideal size, strength, and feet ... and a heck of a pedigree. lacks a bit in experience and technique, and may not start right away, but is rated as a first or second rounder for a reason. this is a guy who's going to start for 10+ years for somebody.
__________________
Scooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #7
Rey
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 14,475
Rep Power: 0 Rey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respectedRey is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mussop View Post
In the first? No thanks on Hunt or Hunter.
Yes, in the first.

They are better than all of the other prospects that will likely be on the board IMO.
Rey is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 04-05-2013   #8
jppaul
Cut and Dry
 
jppaul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 32
Posts: 450
Rep Power: 1192 jppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rey View Post
Yes, in the first.

They are better than all of the other prospects that will likely be on the board IMO.
I would be happy with Hunter in the first, but then I think Hopkins is solid but just a guy. Hunt is interesting upside off the charts especially if he can start to utilize that weight room strength into playing power.
jppaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #9
jppaul
Cut and Dry
 
jppaul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 32
Posts: 450
Rep Power: 1192 jppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 76Texan View Post
Like I said in the other thread, SEVERAL players that you guys want are available later-to-much later.

Trading down to the mid-to-late second is the best option.
You can get 3 good players instead of 2.
Your statement seemingly presumes a trade will be available. If no trade, of the prospects on the board who are you comfortable with. That's the question.
jppaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #10
76Texan
Hall of Fame
 
76Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,033
Rep Power: 57325 76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

All 3 receivers - Yes, even though I think Hunter is a little bit of a stretch.

OT
Menelik Watson
Don't think the Texans go OT in the first, so I haven't studied him.

OG
Justin Pugh
Kyle Long
Not first round material to me.

TE
Eiffert - Yes
Ertz - No

DE
Sheldon Richardson
Datone Jones
Bjoern Werner
All Yes

DT
Sylvester Williams
Jonathan Jenkins
Kawaan Short
Second rounders with Short at the top, followed by Sylvester.
Hankins is a borderline first. Jesse and Short are draws ahead of Sylvester.
Jenkins is at most a third for me, due to weight concern.

OLB
Jarvis Jones
Yes - another borderline.

ILB
Alec Ogletree
Yes

S
Kenny Vacarro
NO
76Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013   #11
76Texan
Hall of Fame
 
76Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,033
Rep Power: 57325 76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Don't want to put Arthur Brown, Cyprien, or Banks in the first either.

Margus Hunt is a borderline first.
76Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013   #12
jppaul
Cut and Dry
 
jppaul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 32
Posts: 450
Rep Power: 1192 jppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 76Texan View Post
Don't want to put Arthur Brown, Cyprien, or Banks in the first either.

Margus Hunt is a borderline first.
Fair enough on the evaluations but the question (again) was who is on YOUR first round board and may (has a decent chance) be available at 27.
jppaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013   #13
76Texan
Hall of Fame
 
76Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,033
Rep Power: 57325 76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected76Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jppaul View Post
Fair enough on the evaluations but the question (again) was who is on YOUR first round board and may (has a decent chance) be available at 27.
The problem is I always find it very difficult to evaluate players without accurate knowledge of the things I want to know.

The first thing is injury.
With Cyprien, for example, I likes his tapes, but when he tested, his forty time and his 20SS time are not to my liking.
Then I read that he had a hamstring issue sometimes around combine time.
Was he fully recover at his pro day? We don't know, because with hamstring, if we recall the situation with AJ in 2011 and JJo in 2012, it's hard to tell how long it lasts and how much it affects the player.
What if I had missed the fact the he was injured and knock him for his speed.
But then again, he might have fully recovered, and what he showed at his pro day are true.

Take another player like Allen who has never been timed in college, when he works out on April 9 (I believe), can we trust that what he shows are true measures of his capability?

A different situation is a guy like Cornellius Washington who had a great combine and pro day, but mediocre tapes. We don't know why without investigating deeply into the matter. I notice that he didn't play much in some games, besides being in a rotation. But what happened to his production last year? It decreased significantly. Besides the sack numbers, the number of QB pressure also dipped from 29 to 13 despite playing 2 more games.
His tackle total were fewer than his back-up who came in early and not just in garbage time. What might be the reason(s)?

Also, as I'be said many times in the past, I'm not comfortable giving opinion on a guy without watching at least 8 games against good opponents (preferrably - otherwise, I will have to project - or discount a certain game altogether.)

The last few years, I concentrated mostly on the receivers, looking to find a replacement for AJ and Walter/Jones.

It's a position I have the most knowledge of (but still lacking information about injury among other things.)

With that base, I don't have to spend as much time on them this year so I was able to watch the safeties and a few CBs.

By watching the receivers, I was also able to learn about the QBs.

Those are the positions I feel most comfortable with, but when you ask me about other guys, I don't know that much except for a few guys I think the Texans might draft (but I still don't watch enough tapes to really "rank" them.)

For example, I still don't know if I prefer Hankins, Short, Jesse, or Williams.
There's still some time left though.
76Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013   #14
jppaul
Cut and Dry
 
jppaul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Age: 32
Posts: 450
Rep Power: 1192 jppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respectedjppaul is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 76Texan View Post
The problem is I always find it very difficult to evaluate players without accurate knowledge of the things I want to know.
Man you must be allergic to answering a question, are you bychance a doctor, attorney or insurance adjuster?
jppaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013   #15
beerlover
Site Contributor
 
beerlover's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 12,161
Rep Power: 39326 beerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respectedbeerlover is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jppaul View Post
Man you must be allergic to answering a question, are you bychance a doctor, attorney or insurance adjuster?
76 is damn thorough. Turned into a fine scout for us as well if you ask me. Really enjoy reading his work. I would appreciate making a stance or taking a position on specific player which is probably jest of your frustration.

As you've likely noticed it's real hard to find actual scouts write ups. Which is an excellent reason to visit our site, not that we're actual scouts or have even fraction of much needed but privileged info- that sells for good money. 65 is another poster here with natural eye for talent, but only gives you brief glimpses into prospects largely due to personal time constraints.

I've just posted my personal mock & have Texans selecting Alec Ogeltree, ILB. Not only does he have unlimited ceiling his character issues would be a thing of his past in Texan locker room. Talk about Ed Reed grooming a young safety prospect what about Cushing helping this young man? Or JJ Watt doing similar, we have great players in virtually every position that if a young man has the talent & desire he will succeed here. Really can't ask more than that but I do feel now more than ever we have that opportunity to take best playmaker available @ position of need & mold his natural talent into something really special.

BL
__________________

2012 Draft was Mercilus
beerlover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013   #16
badboy
Site Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Clear Lake
Posts: 21,624
Rep Power: 87576 badboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respectedbadboy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Almost none of OPs. Mine would have to be those that have actually been mocked by a reasonable source as being there #27. Keenan Allen, Hopkins, Robert Woods, Terrence Williams, J. Hankins, Jesse Williams, Kawann Short, Banks, Amerson, Damontre Moore, Sam Montgomery, Ogletree, Te'o, Minter and Eiffert. Any would be okay and I would probably be stunned but okay if they selected QB Tyler Wilson there. First round will get us a good guy but after that it gets uch harder.
__________________
Buy my 2012 fully loaded Nissan Maxima Sports Edition for balance owed! Very low mileage.
badboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013   #17
powda
Hall of Fame
 
powda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,916
Rep Power: 67767 powda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respectedpowda is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

There's very little talk here (site wise) of Patterson. Is that because no one thinks he will be available to us? I'm a fan of jesse williams in the 2nd but no time before then.
__________________
Each year, there are more than 40,000 toilet related injuries in the United States.
powda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013   #18
steelbtexan
Hall of Fame
 
steelbtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Age: 51
Posts: 11,208
Rep Power: 56437 steelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Short/Hankins/Rodgers/Hunter/Armstead
steelbtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013   #19
Lucky
Moderator
 
Lucky's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 12,836
Rep Power: 103975 Lucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by powda View Post
There's very little talk here (site wise) of Patterson. Is that because no one thinks he will be available to us?
That's the reason. And it's a good reason. He could go as early as #8 to the Bills and as late as #25 to the Vikings, with 7 other teams possible in between. My guess is that San Diego can't get one of the top 3 LTs at #11, and Mike McCoy goes for the Demaryius Thomas type WR he needs for his offense.
__________________
“We’re looking for a coach that...works with great energy and enthusiasm and very positive in his approach.” - Bob McNair
Lucky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013   #20
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
 
TexansSeminole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 26
Posts: 8,273
Rep Power: 54460 TexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansSeminole is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Who are your round one targets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky View Post
That's the reason. And it's a good reason. He could go as early as #8 to the Bills and as late as #25 to the Vikings, with 7 other teams possible in between. My guess is that San Diego can't get one of the top 3 LTs at #11, and Mike McCoy goes for the Demaryius Thomas type WR he needs for his offense.
It just depends how SD feels about the corners available.
TexansSeminole is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > Football Talk > College Football & the 2014 NFL Draft > Mock Draft Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger