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Old 04-05-2013   #21
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Our NT does not have the same responsibilities as a regular 3/4 NT. Short was at his best when playing inside against guards.

For Thunderkiss, just because Hankins is 320 doesn't mean he is just a big run stuffer. He is a three down player.
I dont think you could go wrong with either of them .... especially in a trade down scenario.
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I don't think Wade sees the Nose the same way we do. We look at our defensive front & we "see" a 3-4, but he plays it more like a 4-3. His weakside DE is more like a 4-3 UT & his nose is more like a 4-3 strongside DT. These guys can be huge like Kyle Williams & be successful, or they can be like your traditional 4-3 tackle who normally goes unrecognized (Shuan Cody).

Wade's defense is not about taking up blocks or making it easier for others to make plays. He attacks the gaps, he wants the offense to react to what we're doing, cause havoc all along the line.




I could be completely wrong. I'm just a guy. But I don't think we'll ever spend a 1st on a guy to play Shaun Cody's position. That is the big ugly of the big uglies. He does all the dirty work, noone will ever know his name.

We might get lucky & find an overacheiver like Jay Ratliff, but he won't be a first rounder.
I'm not sure they'll grab a NT in the first as its pretty much a 2 down player, BUT Wade has used mammoth NTs in the past, he had big Ted Washington in Bufflo and Jamal Williams in SD, both played around 340 if I remember correctly.
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I dont think you could go wrong with either of them .... especially in a trade down scenario.
I've been sayin a trade down is the way to go for a while. The talent is so deep and there is no real clear "no brainers" at the end of round one. I want as many top 150 picks as possible.
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I'm not sure they'll grab a NT in the first as its pretty much a 2 down player
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So you're telling me we'd get a better pass rush with a NT vs kicking Watt inside where he'd absolutely kill interior linemen? Back at ya with the face palm bud.

I would like to add a NT, I just think they'll go in a different direction early.

Btw, in terms of pass rush, there were only 2 DTs (Atkins and Suh) in the top 40 in terms of pass rush. If you expand to the top 80 you add 8 more DTs and only a couple guys that are NTs. When you have a guy with the size and talent of Watt there's no reason not to kick him inside on passing downs. It's all about creating mismatches and Watt is a nightmare for any interior OL
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So you're telling me we'd get a better pass rush with a NT vs kicking Watt inside where he'd absolutely kill interior linemen? Back at ya with the face palm bud.
More often than not Ninja was kicked inside flanked by Barwin .... and they brought in Crick , Jamison and others as the 4th lineman while moving Watt all over the place.

For the most part on passing downs they had a four man front with Watt playing on the end. See the diagram I posted on the first page of this thread ....
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More often than not Ninja was kicked inside flanked by Barwin .... and they brought in Crick , Jamison and others as the 4th lineman while moving Watt all over the place.

For the most part on passing downs they had a four man front with Watt playing on the end. See the diagram I posted on the first page of this thread ....
I agree, I've seen Smith kicked in as well. Either way, unless we draft Haloti Ngata v.2, a NT is more than likely coming off the field in a passing situation, thus making him a 2 down player. It doesn't mean NT is important or couldn't be upgraded.
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Thats the main reason I went with Kawann Short in the TT Mock - he best fits the description of the type of DT/NT Wade has spoken of in being able to penetrate and get upfield while still having the ability to hold up on double teams.

Short wouldnt be a two down player like Cody was ... He'd play on those passing downs when they move Ninja inside with the OLB moving to DE.


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-------Watt--- Short --- Ninja
Reed -----???---Cushing----Mercilus


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--Watt - Short - Ninja - Mercilus

Reed /S3 --- Cushing
Man, that looks good, add in a LB like Klein and some late rd S help and this defense would be a force to be reckoned with.

I personally would trade up to make sure I got Klein in this mock. If you had to miss out on filling one of the big needs WR/OT/NT/ILB which one would you most be willing to give up. Your TT mock suggests OT?
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Man, that looks good, add in a LB like Klein and some late rd S help and this defense would be a force to be reckoned with.

I personally would trade up to make sure I got Klein in this mock. If you had to miss out on filling one of the big needs WR/OT/NT/ILB which one would you most be willing to give up. Your TT mock suggests OT?
I think my mock just fell that way .... The Dobson and Washington picks kinda threw me off a bit but they were such value picks at that point in the draft I just couldnt pass them up.

Ideally I think I would have taken an OT with one of those selections , likely in place of Dobson since I took Rogers a round earlier in the draft.

The other issue was I just didnt think any of the OT's available there were worth the 3rd rounder. The quality OT's went quickly.

After that , I had to get back to my plan and fill the ILB spot with the player at the position with the best cover skills in the entire draft in Klein.


I still have four more picks for the Texans .... but I dont see solving the OT spot this deep in the draft. It'll probably be depth from here on as you really dont expect 5th rounders to contribute , or even make the team in some situations.
I'd have to look to fill the spot via FA after the draft or around the June 1 cuts.
There isnt a lot of money left and there will be some real bargins out there.


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EDIT - I almost took an OT in the first in place of Short - Armstead. But I have to wonder if I had done so and taken Rogers in the second , would I have taken Dobson over one of the DT's ?! Really has me thinking about all the posibile scenario's we could see come draft day.
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Our NT does not have the same responsibilities as a regular 3/4 NT. Short was at his best when playing inside against guards.

For Thunderkiss, just because Hankins is 320 doesn't mean he is just a big run stuffer. He is a three down player.
Directing this response to you and TK, agree only because we do not have a good Nose. Again Phillips adjusts his defense to players he has. Yes, IF we draft Short, he will continue to play in manner we are accustomed to seeing a NT play. If we get Sy, Brandon Williams or Hankins expect to see a different & I think better scheme. Can you imagine what Smith and Watts could do if our Nose could actually tie up two to three blockers?

It would be like saying Kubiac would use exact same offense scheme if he had a QB who could scramble and had a Pastorini arm. He hasn't had one here so how do we know what he would do. We can only project.
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I pulled out a Chargers/Patriots game to watch Williams play for a half.
He lined up at zero technique a few times.
He only two-gap once though.
On other occasions, he shifted slightly to either side.
He always wait for the C to either turn his head (communicating with the QB) or dip his head ready for the snap before he makes the shift.

I'm sure Wade can do different things with different guys.
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It's not going to happen.

What I truly dislike about this, & it's not just your mock, it's "everybody's" mock.

It's not going to happen. & when it's not going to happen, you & "everybody else" are going to complain about our run defense. Whether we are #5 in run defense, or #7 in run defense, because we don't have that 320lb mountain of a man in the middle..... our run defense "sucks"

Bottom line, & I mean absolutely no disrespect, but when we consistently pick 320lb NTs we're saying that we don't understand what our team is trying to do, we don't agree with what our team is trying to do, or some mixture of both.
I'm not so sure about this. I've seen a comment that the Texans have shown interest in my choice for NT - Jesse Williams.
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I'm not so sure about this. I've seen a comment that the Texans have shown interest in my choice for NT - Jesse Williams.
Maybe in the second round. He's good but brings no pass rushing ability. 2 down players are becoming less valuable in tips passing league. He actually would make a good DE in a more traditional 3/4.
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Maybe in the second round. He's good but brings no pass rushing ability. 2 down players are becoming less valuable in tips passing league. He actually would make a good DE in a more traditional 3/4.
I was commenting on the comments that Philips is not interested in large NT's by suggesting that the Texans have shown interest in such a player in this coming draft.

Second, I'd like to point out that Mitchell had one sack in 2010, one sack in 2011 and no sacks last year.

Jesse Williams does not have a repertoire of moves to rush the passer, other than the bull rush. But he is so strong that he collapses the pocket and demands double teams, creating opportunities for Smith and Watt. But even so, he's quick enough to get more than zero sacks per year.

Finally, Williams is rated as a high second that could slip into the bottom of the first.
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I was commenting on the comments that Philips is not interested in large NT's by suggesting that the Texans have shown interest in such a player in this coming draft.

Second, I'd like to point out that Mitchell had one sack in 2010, one sack in 2011 and no sacks last year.

Jesse Williams does not have a repertoire of moves to rush the passer, other than the bull rush. But he is so strong that he collapses the pocket and demands double teams, creating opportunities for Smith and Watt. But even so, he's quick enough to get more than zero sacks per year.

Finally, Williams is rated as a high second that could slip into the bottom of the first.
First, You dont have to sell me on Mitchell's weaknesses or that Williams would be an upgrade. Second, Just because he would be an upgrade doesn't justify picking him In The first round when there should be other DTs that are more talented available.
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Directing this response to you and TK, agree only because we do not have a good Nose. Again Phillips adjusts his defense to players he has. Yes, IF we draft Short, he will continue to play in manner we are accustomed to seeing a NT play. If we get Sy, Brandon Williams or Hankins expect to see a different & I think better scheme. Can you imagine what Smith and Watts could do if our Nose could actually tie up two to three blockers?

It would be like saying Kubiac would use exact same offense scheme if he had a QB who could scramble and had a Pastorini arm. He hasn't had one here so how do we know what he would do. We can only project.
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I agree, I've seen Smith kicked in as well. Either way, unless we draft Haloti Ngata v.2, a NT is more than likely coming off the field in a passing situation, thus making him a 2 down player. It doesn't mean NT is important or couldn't be upgraded.
Hankins is not a 2 down player. He's an every down player. He rarely came out of games in college & was moved all over the line much like we use JJ now. He does wear down due to his size & will need to be spelled from time to time. With the NFL strength & conditioning programs I would fully expect his conditioning to get much stronger. Hankins has been my choice for our #1 pick for a while. If he's there, we have to take him.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nathan-hankins

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Strengths: Hankins has a wide frame with the natural size to carry a lot of weight. He has excellent feet for the position with very good first step quickness and get-off burst to knife through the line of scrimmage and make plays in the backfield.

He is fluid and rangy, dropping in coverage at times and making plays up and down the line of scrimmage. He looks smooth in space with flexible ankles to quickly redirect his momentum and move well in any direction to be a factor on just about every play.


Hankins is a tough run defender with very good awareness and instincts, using his eyes to track the play and body to force the issue. He extends to shrug off blocks and uses his hands to bully blockers, controlling the POA and setting the edge when playing outside. Hankins has extremely strong hands to secure tackles and finish plays once he gets his hands on the ballcarrier.


He has versatility to play inside or outside, seeing a lot of time at both DE and DT in college, also playing on some special teams, blocking a field goal in 2012 (vs. Purdue). Hankins eats up multiple blocks and frequently attracts double-teams. He rarely left the field and started every game the past two seasons for the Buckeyes (25 starts), displaying an obvious passion for the game.


Weaknesses: Hankins relies too much on his upper-body strength at times and needs to play with consistent leverage. He uses his body too much and needs to consistently utilize his hands and limbs.


Hankins doesn't always play smart with several penalties on his resume, including a late hit on the quarterback (vs. Michigan State in 2012). He tends to wear down throughout the course of a game and give streaky effort, looking fatigued and noticeably taking plays off.


Hankins battled a minor knee sprain the past two seasons, wearing a brace much of the time.


He set career-bests statistically as sophomore and failed to reach the same numbers in 2012. Hankins lost 15-plus pounds prior to his junior season and his weight needs to be monitored to stay in shape.


NFL Comparison: Brandon Mebane, DT, Seattle Seahawks - Like Mebane, Hankins is a tough run defender who can disrupt the pocket and dominate 1-on-1 blockers, but at his best when not asked to play every down.
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I'm not going to copy or paste previous copy & paste postes but Hankins is nothing like Mebane. Mebane has a motor & is more of a penteator. Hankins is more like a Shawn Rodgers (if I remember correctly played in Detroit).
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Players still moving up in down especially top two rounds. I think most fans have settled on positions just maybe disagree on players. One of hardest things I've had to do is be willing to give up on players I formed attachment with by watching them so much. Terrence Williams is such a player. He the best WR in going deep and has great stats, just cannot convince me he can go across middle and that has to be a trait of whomever Smithiak goes with.
If you really into the draft, you will enjoy the links.

1. NT Johnathan Hankins 6'3"320 yeah I know I said I feel Phillips will go with Mitchell and maybe a late round pick or a vet after draft. Never guessed that Hankins would drop to #27. I refused to even discuss him with other posters as I was convinced he was top 20. So many mocks that I respect and review have him all around #27. Allen may recover in his pro day & I like him and B Williams in second but not as much as I like Hankins and my #2. Here's hoping Wade sees Hankins as I do. Detailed eval: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...13jhankins.php

2. WR Da'Rick Rogers 6' 2 1/2 217.7 lbs top 5 in 3 cone and a 4.44 combine (2nd try) yeah, yeah he smoked pot but has been clean a year. No info about failing a combine test so...this guy does it all. I have mocked him for months as he is one of few that has skill sets to eventually replace AJ. Never had an on field problem. Very detailed eval http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013drogers.php

3. OLB Cornelius Washingon 6'4" 265 lbs. 4.55 40, benched 36 with a 39 (are you serious!) vertical. Here is a link that explains best what I saw watching him play. With our coaches he could be a first year starter. http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/2/...ius-washington

3B OT Brennan Williams 6'6" 318 this future star from NC is right on track with his recovery. Some will say I'm reaching but I want him. He's going to be that good. Unlike some tackles, he can play OG and may start RG 2014 unless Brooks forces Smith to the bench & Brandon is RG even sooner than I expect. Williams will be a very good RT and with a bit of coaching could play left.

4. S Terry Hawthorne 6' 195 4.4 this CB reminds me some of 3rd year KJ and could eventually start at corner but I project him to safety. He might be there in 5th but not taking any chances. I also like Robert Lester but his coverage is less than Hawthorne's.

5. ILB A.J. Klein 6'1" 250 4.6 is a tackling machine avg 116 T and 5.5 TFLs for three seasons. Only late round ILB that could start in our defense. He can cover TEs & knocks them off their routes. Stacks and sheds with strength and good hands. Shuts down the run. Will allow Cush to go beserk. Will shine with Reed and Joseph behind him.

6. RB Cierre Wood 5' 11" 4.46 Tate's replacement. Avg's 6.7 yards per carry. May be most under rated RB in draft.

6B TE Michael Williams 6'6" 278 I've mocked him in 5th forever but he should be here although I don't know why. Has bulk and strength to play on line in our "super" package but soft hands who should remind fans of a certain RZ scoring TE that left us.

7. WR Marquess Wilson 6'3" 194 4.45 35 " vertical. Natural catcher with god body control and able to bulk & grow stronger. I despise Mike Leach & think Wilson did right thing. Low risk high reward. Would not shock if he replaces Jean on roster.


I may do 2-3 more mocks but really like these guys.
Planned on doing another mock today and then a final one next week. No can do as I really think I nailed this one, especially after all the PR on guys like Allen, Patterson dropping and the recent news of poop on the floor by Hopkins. I like all these guys but if Deandre is found to have done this, I would not draft him.

Yesterday on radio (forgot who) a host was talking about all the draftable WRs coming out of Tennessee (Zach Rogers probably a last day pick) and then said Da'Rick Rogers who went to Tech last season probably best of all of them.

As I think Texans will trade bak into second from #27, I may do a mock with those guys which would be a little differen at the top.
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