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Old 03-27-2013   #1
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Short faced plenty of double teams at Purdue. You can see his natural strength with his ability to anchor in the run game. Solid lower body strength. Overall strength to stack the point is impressive. When Short wants, he can be a dominate force at the point of attack with the ability to two-gap and chase the play going away. Enough explosion to disrupt plays in the backfield. Uses his hands well to shed and has a nice rip move. The theme in Shortís scouting report will be motor. Questionable motor and in several games he was frustrated early and taken out of the game. In several contests Short was bullied by double teams, had him on skates, and was a non-factor the remainder of the game. He stands around too often when he doesnít beat his opponent initially. Very average read and react skills. Questionable instincts and plays high, losing leverage battles.

PASS RUSH:
Quick feet and violent hands make him an intriguing three-technique at the next level. Short has notched quite a few sacks in his career and can take over a game from the inside if he gets going early. Has an array of pass rush moves (bull rush, rip, swim, arm over). Again, questionable effort/motor when things arenít going his way. His sack production came in multiples. When Short is initially shut down, he doesnít counter and at times quit on the play. This will cause some concerns for NFL talent evaluators and could keep him out of the first round.

RED FLAGS:
Motor questions and didnít see the competitive fire to want to be great. Wore down in games and was subbed in for more than Purdue could afford.

OVERALL:
Kawann Short is a first round talent with the skills to be a disruptive three-technique at the next level. That said, his motor is questionable at best. He lost 15 pounds heading into his senior season but didnít show up in his conditioning or harder play. Takes plays, series, quarters, and games off if he doesnít win early matchups.
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I'd have no problem if the Texans took Short in the 1st round to play NT. He was my 1st round pick in every mock I made until very recently. I think his taking plays off is a conditioning issue, and many big men in college face this issue. They're just not in the condition that NFL level players are in. I think an NFL level strength and conditioning program would take care of that and playing along side Watt, Smith, and Cushing he'd have no choice but to play hard, he'd be scared not to. I think WR is a bigger team issue/need, but a great NT would make the biggest impact on defense.


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Short faced plenty of double teams at Purdue. You can see his natural strength with his ability to anchor in the run game. Solid lower body strength. Overall strength to stack the point is impressive. When Short wants, he can be a dominate force at the point of attack with the ability to two-gap and chase the play going away. Enough explosion to disrupt plays in the backfield. Uses his hands well to shed and has a nice rip move. The theme in Shortís scouting report will be motor. Questionable motor and in several games he was frustrated early and taken out of the game. In several contests Short was bullied by double teams, had him on skates, and was a non-factor the remainder of the game. He stands around too often when he doesnít beat his opponent initially. Very average read and react skills. Questionable instincts and plays high, losing leverage battles.

PASS RUSH:
Quick feet and violent hands make him an intriguing three-technique at the next level. Short has notched quite a few sacks in his career and can take over a game from the inside if he gets going early. Has an array of pass rush moves (bull rush, rip, swim, arm over). Again, questionable effort/motor when things arenít going his way. His sack production came in multiples. When Short is initially shut down, he doesnít counter and at times quit on the play. This will cause some concerns for NFL talent evaluators and could keep him out of the first round.

RED FLAGS:
Motor questions and didnít see the competitive fire to want to be great. Wore down in games and was subbed in for more than Purdue could afford.

OVERALL:
Kawann Short is a first round talent with the skills to be a disruptive three-technique at the next level. That said, his motor is questionable at best. He lost 15 pounds heading into his senior season but didnít show up in his conditioning or harder play. Takes plays, series, quarters, and games off if he doesnít win early matchups.
If this is the case, I hope the Texans pass.
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doesnt sound at all like a wade phillips pick. one of the constants with wade is effort, he'd rather take a lesser talent with a high motor than a stud who phones it in.
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76 you need to learn to use quotes man .... its easy just highlight what you want quoted and hit the little button next to the one that posts images , looks like the thingy comic characters speak in.


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If this is the case, I hope the Texans pass.

I dont agree with the negatives at least to the extent this report gives.


Was it his motor or did he simply wear down from the constant double teams ?!

Those constant double teams can wear on a big man. The other guy's on that line have to be accountable for some of that by not attracting some of those double teams themselves. If you only have to double one guy .... yeah , he's going to wear down.


Hell , almost every player has some warts and the deeper you get the more pronounced those warts are. No way I could have made everyone happy with any pick I made. Im satisfied with the choice and the impact he can make next season.
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Motor questions and didnít see the competitive fire to want to be great. Wore down in games and was subbed in for more than Purdue could afford.

OVERALL:
Kawann Short is a first round talent with the skills to be a disruptive three-technique at the next level. That said, his motor is questionable at best. He lost 15 pounds heading into his senior season but didnít show up in his conditioning or harder play. Takes plays, series, quarters, and games off if he doesnít win early matchups.
I agree with these shortcomings and would pass on him because of them. Too easy to bust on a DL as it is -- no heart, no thanks.
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I dont agree with the negatives at least to the extent this report gives.


Was it his motor or did he simply wear down from the constant double teams ?!

Those constant double teams can wear on a big man. The other guy's on that line have to be accountable for some of that by not attracting some of those double teams themselves. If you only have to double one guy .... yeah , he's going to wear down.


Hell , almost every player has some warts and the deeper you get the more pronounced those warts are. No way I could have made everyone happy with any pick I made. Im satisfied with the choice and the impact he can make next season.
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Purdue defensive tackle Kawann Short was unable to work out at the NFL Scouting Combine or the school’s pro day on March 1 due to a hamstring injury, so an individual workout was held on Monday.

There were 20 teams present in West Lafayette, Ind., including five defensive line coaches and New Orleans Saints director of college scouting Rick Reiprish, for a workout held indoors on FieldTurf.

Short (6-foot-3 3/8, 303 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 5.08 and 5.09 seconds. He had a 27-inch vertical jump and an 8-foot-4 broad jump. He ran the three-cone drill in 7.55 seconds had the short shuttle in 4.65 seconds. He also performed 29 lifts of 225 pounds on the bench press. Short — a two-time first-team All-Big Ten honoree — also did positional drills.

Short is the No. 41-rated player in my Hot 100 prospect rankings. The latest mock draft of Charley Casserly — published Monday — projected Short going to the Minnesota Vikings with the No. 23 overall pick.
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To be honest, I haven't looked deep into the interior guys yet.

I just remember one of the 3 amigos mentioning Short, and I did watched some of his game tapes.
Like I said, it didn't leave me with much impression one way or another.

From that report, Short still has conditioning issue after trimming down 15 lbs in his Senior season; it's not a good sign. He could be risky as a first rounder.

There are other guys that can play about the same snaps or more.

I might prefer Sheldon Richardson over Short. He had had much more production.

And if you want a guy that can play 60-70 snaps, Jonathan Hankins is the guy.

Then you have the 3 Williams.
There are 5 guys that you can have later, just to name a few.
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Says the guy who had Shariff Floyd as a second rounder ....
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Watt and Short on the DL= much improved against the run and a better pass rush. You cant double team everybody.
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I dont agree with the negatives at least to the extent this report gives.


Was it his motor or did he simply wear down from the constant double teams ?!


Those constant double teams can wear on a big man. The other guy's on that line have to be accountable for some of that by not attracting some of those double teams themselves. If you only have to double one guy .... yeah , he's going to wear down.
THIS!!!!

No offense to 76 but he is just repeating old scouting reports that over exaggerated this low effort B.S.. When a big guy gets doubled alot it does wear them down. He was doubled alot. When he wasn't he made a lot of really good plays. Even when he was doubled early in games he mad a lot of big plays.

Might not be the sexy skill position so many want but this guy is good! His skill set is perfect for Wades scheme. He is better than Mitchell at getting penetration and better than Cody against the run. He would be a solid pick at 27.

Really there is only two WR's that are worth picking at 27. after them the talent pool is pretty even for a good while. What you get in the 3rd round will be very close to what you get in the early second.

Our DL needs MORE talent now! Watt is really the only true above average player on the DL that is in the future plans. Mitchell is blah! Smith's time is coming to an end soon. Probably next season. None of the backups are noteworthy. You have to have at least 5 solid guys for a rotation or the DL will wear down later in the year.

Even if you make a case that Mitchell could be a solid rotation guy we still need at least one more really good layer on the DL.
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To be honest, I haven't looked deep into the interior guys yet.

I just remember one of the 3 amigos mentioning Short, and I did watched some of his game tapes.
Like I said, it didn't leave me with much impression one way or another.

From that report, Short still has conditioning issue after trimming down 15 lbs in his Senior season; it's not a good sign. He could be risky as a first rounder.

There are other guys that can play about the same snaps or more.

I might prefer Sheldon Richardson over Short. He had had much more production.

And if you want a guy that can play 60-70 snaps, Jonathan Hankins is the guy.

Then you have the 3 Williams.
There are 5 guys that you can have later, just to name a few.
5, are you sure about that? Who are these 5 guys that will be available at 57?
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To be honest, I haven't looked deep into the interior guys yet.

I just remember one of the 3 amigos mentioning Short, and I did watched some of his game tapes.
Like I said, it didn't leave me with much impression one way or another.

From that report, Short still has conditioning issue after trimming down 15 lbs in his Senior season; it's not a good sign. He could be risky as a first rounder.

There are other guys that can play about the same snaps or more.

I might prefer Sheldon Richardson over Short. He had had much more production.

And if you want a guy that can play 60-70 snaps, Jonathan Hankins is the guy.

Then you have the 3 Williams.
There are 5 guys that you can have later, just to name a few.
Yeah we broke him down pretty extensively as we do all players and pretty much determined he's be great as 4-3 DT rather than a nose. For those interested, we have been working on our annual mock and should present soon. I think there are so many players that would do well on Texans in this draft.
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I like Short, just not in the first round for the Texans.
You want a 3-down NT in the first.

But if we're talking about a 3-T/5-T combo, Short might fit the bill if he trims back to his JR year weigh, I think.

But like I said, I haven't really studied him yet.
I just don't like the fact that he only played 28 snaps in the one game I watched (but he did play some 48 snaps or so in another; fews in the fourth however.)

Big boy Jenkins played more snaps than him; I counted mid to high 40 regularly, and up to 56 something in one game; and I still think he's a risk in the first three rounds.

I'm usually (but not always) harsh on guys.
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5, are you sure about that? Who are these 5 guys that will be available at 57?
Not necessarily at 57; just after 27.
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Like I said before, lots of college DT's ware down in a game because they just don't have the conditioning that NFL level players do. I think the taking plays off is a conditioning issue because when big guys take on double teams they ware down quickly. An NFL level strength and conditioning program will take care of that, but it will take a little time. I'd take Short in the 1st round. Also the fact that he'd rotate at NT with Mitchell would give him the chance to get better physically conditioned and acclimated to the NFL level game. The guy has great size and hustle.
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I like Short, just not in the first round for the Texans.
You want a 3-down NT in the first.

But if we're talking about a 3-T/5-T combo, Short might fit the bill if he trims back to his JR year weigh, I think.

But like I said, I haven't really studied him yet.
I just don't like the fact that he only played 28 snaps in the one game I watched (but he did play some 48 snaps or so in another; fews in the fourth however.)

Big boy Jenkins played more snaps than him; I counted mid to high 40 regularly, and up to 56 something in one game; and I still think he's a risk in the first three rounds.

I'm usually (but not always) harsh on guys.
I like jenkins from UGA. For a guy his size,he has good quickness,explosion and power. He's a guy who you have to double or he's gonna kill the play and move the los. His pocket pushing inside is a huge asset when you play against mid line passers.
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I like jenkins from UGA. For a guy his size,he has good quickness,explosion and power. He's a guy who you have to double or he's gonna kill the play and move the los. His pocket pushing inside is a huge asset when you play against mid line passers.
I like Jenkins too .... fwiw. But I think that Short fits what Wade wants from a NT/DT better. He can penetrate and hold up blockers , I think he's very comparable to the guy he would be replacing in that aspect (Cody).

With no WR or outside pass rusher on the board I was comfortable taking , I'd really rather have had the option to trade back some - but we arent doing trades in our mock. I felt like I was pretty much in no mans land with that selection and had to make the best of it. I really believe the selection solidify's the defensive front.

Games are won and lost in the trenches ....

I just read a piece from the Crapical written by James Flynt - here's an excerpt from it:


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think our biggest priority (again) is on defense. We need a solid ILB to play next to Cushing. Sadly, I donít think Darryl Sharpton is the guy. Donít get me wrong, I like Sharpton, but heís undersized and hasnít been himself since his injury. And if we move Sharpton up, we lose a quality depth guy. We arenít drafting for depth in the first two rounds.

I also donít believe that Earl Mitchell is the answer at DT. I could see us drafting ILB and DT in the first two rounds

I dont necessarily agree that they can wait until R3 for a WR .... but I do think DT and ILB are huge holes and one of them could be filled in the first two rounds.
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I couldn't agree more. In the mock, I have already taken defensive ends for Miami with their first two picks and grabbed a NT in the early second for Philly, now that they are switching the the 3-4. Three of my first four picks are defensive linemen. You can never go wrong with having more guys to disrupt the LOS and get after the quarterback.

I need to check out Short for myself. Purdue is one of those teams that I never get to watch. I have probably seen them play once or twice in the past 3 years. They tend to play early and there is always some mid-level ACC matchup that peaks my interest more during that time slot.
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I like jenkins from UGA. For a guy his size,he has good quickness,explosion and power. He's a guy who you have to double or he's gonna kill the play and move the los. His pocket pushing inside is a huge asset when you play against mid line passers.
If they tailor a workout program for him to build his base stronger, and if he can keep his weigh in check; watch out.
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