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Old 03-24-2013   #21
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If Dilfer can win a super bowl. So can Schaub.


Granted the Ravens defense was historically good that year
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I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the Texans and Ravens both scored 28 points against the Patriots.

If the Raven's defense gave up a fortyburger, nobody gives a crap about Joe Flacco today unless they're making articles about how he can't get it done because something is missing.
What does comparing scoring against a common opponent do? Nothing really.

If's and buts were hickory nuts....
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Credibility based on a fans allegiance? LOL Sure.

Your defense is no where in the same solar system as the Ravens of 2000- so you can forget about that approach.

Wait, the Bears tried that with Rex Grossman a few years ago and you see how that worked out for them....
Considering the fan is of a team whos HOF Safety we just signed. Makes it look like u are trying to make yourself feel better is all i'm saying.

And yes but Schaub is way better than Difler ever was, so it kinda evens out.
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If Dilfer can win a super bowl. So can Schaub.


Granted the Ravens defense was historically good that year
You realize that the Texans Defense gave up more than TWICE as many points this past year as the Ravens defense in 2000?

The Texans defense of 2012 would have ranked 17th in Total Points allowed during the 2000 Season...average instead of 9th...

2012 Texans Defense was pretty good- but it doesn't hold a candle to that 2000 Ravens team so lets forget the Dilfer comparisons when it comes to Schaub.
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Only reason there is a conversation about flacco

Football Gods smiled on the ravens in one desperate play or they would have been one and done.

However my hats are off to the Flacco and the Ravens. For making the most of it and defeating two first ballot HOF quarterbacks in a single playoff run
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If Dilfer can win a super bowl. So can Schaub.

Granted the Ravens defense was historically good that year
Not that you were attempting to do this but equating Schaub to Dilfer is whack. Dilfer averaged 136 ypg on the SB run. He couldn't hit the side of a barn and if he did get it near someone it was just as likely to be the opposing team than his own (actually over his career more likely to be the opposing team). They are not similar QB's in any regard.
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You realize that the Texans Defense gave up more than TWICE as many points this past year as the Ravens defense in 2000?

The Texans defense of 2012 would have ranked 17th in Total Points allowed during the 2000 Season...average instead of 9th...

2012 Texans Defense was pretty good- but it doesn't hold a candle to that 2000 Ravens team so lets forget the Dilfer comparisons when it comes to Schaub.
You realize the Texans offense has been ranked very highly over the last few years ?

The Texan defense doesn't have to be historically good
Why not compare? Dilfer, like Schaub, is a game manager. Both realistically arent going to take over a game? Texans need Schaub to keep the turnovers down and move the ball a bit
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Not that you were attempting to do this but equating Schaub to Dilfer is whack. Dilfer averaged 136 ypg on the SB run. He couldn't hit the side of a barn and if he did get it near someone it was just as likely to be the opposing team than his own (actually over his career more likely to be the opposing team). They are not similar QB's in any regard.
Exactly, I was just meaning that anything is possible
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Considering the fan is of a team whos HOF Safety we just signed. Makes it look like u are trying to make yourself feel better is all i'm saying.

And yes but Schaub is way better than Difler ever was, so it kinda evens out.
I'll go as far as agreeing that Schaub us better than Dilfer.

Not sure what you are implying here; he will be a HOF Safety; he left chasing some $$, his play was declining and his constant offseason "will he retire or won't he?" wears thin after awhile....I am sad to see him leave for his legacy sake but won't miss his missed tackles and gambling in the backend.
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2012 texans defense was pretty good- but it doesn't hold a candle to that 2000 ravens team
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You realize that the Texans Defense gave up more than TWICE as many points this past year as the Ravens defense in 2000?

The Texans defense of 2012 would have ranked 17th in Total Points allowed during the 2000 Season...average instead of 9th...

2012 Texans Defense was pretty good- but it doesn't hold a candle to that 2000 Ravens team so lets forget the Dilfer comparisons when it comes to Schaub.
What about the 2013 Texans defense then?

Since adding Ed Reed is a move meant to improve the teams defense and the comment about needing a 'So-so' QB applies then.

Even so, Schaub is more than 'so-so'
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Only reason there is a conversation about flacco

Football Gods smiled on the ravens in one desperate play or they would have been one and done.

However my hats are off to the Flacco and the Ravens. For making the most of it and defeating two first ballot HOF quarterbacks in a single playoff run
Reason we are discussing Matt Schaub

http://youtu.be/LEKJZxalrEc
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What about the 2013 Texans defense then?

Since adding Ed Reed is a move meant to improve the teams defense and the comment about needing a 'So-so' QB applies then.

Even so, Schaub is more than 'so-so'
Adding an aging veteran, even if he is a GOAT, wouldn't take the 2013 Texans down to 10 pts a game...

Not with the rule changes, focused spending on Offense, year round 7 on 7 passing camps....

Nope.
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Adding an aging veteran, even if he is a GOAT, wouldn't take the 2013 Texans down to 10 pts a game...

Not with the rule changes, focused spending on Offense, year round 7 on 7 passing camps....

Nope.
Since u mention this, when the ravens had that defense in 2000 the NFL was a different game. Prob wouldnt of been as dominant in todays Passing NFL.
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Reason we are discussing Matt Schaub

http://youtu.be/LEKJZxalrEc
Ok. 2010.

Well all I will say is Flacco and Schaub had comparable stats last year.
Flacco obviously with the bigger arm.

I hope your ravens keep having playoff Flacco and not reg season Flacco


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Reason we are discussing Matt Schaub

http://youtu.be/LEKJZxalrEc
Not really since that play wouldn't even exist if Schaub hadn't led a 21 point comeback including 5 scoring drives in a row with back to back 99 yd and 95 yd TD drives on "one of the league's best defenses."
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What does comparing scoring against a common opponent do? Nothing really.

If's and buts were hickory nuts....


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You realize that the Texans Defense gave up more than TWICE as many points this past year as the Ravens defense in 2000?

The Texans defense of 2012 would have ranked 17th in Total Points allowed during the 2000 Season...average instead of 9th...

2012 Texans Defense was pretty good- but it doesn't hold a candle to that 2000 Ravens team so lets forget the Dilfer comparisons when it comes to Schaub.
The NFL was a completely different animal in 2012 than it was in 2000. DBs could mug a receiver all the way down the field in 2000 and people called it tough, physical football. Now, a receiver runs over a DB and they throw a flag for defensive pass interference.

There are also a lot more quality QBs now than there were back then.

2000
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You don't have to go very deep into the 2000 list before you're talking about journeymen.
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Reed was on a defense that won a championship less than two months ago, so saying he can't be part of a championship defense is freakin ludicrous.
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The Texans O had a better TOP than the Ravens O to get the same number of points. You're just making excuses for the D with good sounding generalizations.
I don't know what TOP means. Is is it some statistic?

I am merely commenting on what I see with own eyes and using my brain to figure out what is going on.

Against Green Bay in the first half, the offense couldn't get a drive going and therefore fell behind quickly because Rogers got hot quickly. Essentially, the same thing happened against the Patriots in the regular season matchup.

Then in the playoffs, the Texans get a great kickoff return and the offense cannot punch it in for a touchdown. I didn't watch the second half of the Patriots playoff game because I was tired of seeing the same thing repeatedly occurring.

Maybe there are statistics, like the TOP you are referring to, that demonstrate that the Texans offense is more productive than what I can explain with my own words. But the key is being the most productive when it counts the most.

The truth is, the Texans offense struggles when it matters the most and I don't think any statistic can capture that.
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