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Old 03-23-2013   #1981
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We had less than $11M.
With the signing of McCain, Gardner, Reed, and Lechler plus the rookie (Not all of the guys on the reserve/future list will make it, releasing a little cap space there) my estimation is that the Texans is right up to the limit; maybe with a Mil to spare.

Any more signing will require restructuring a player or a cut.

Looks like Reed got a $4M signing bonus plus $1M base salary in 2013 (and an incentive for playing time of anothe $1M).

The signing bonus is pro-rated for 3 years, such that 1/3 is counted against the cap this year ($1.333+1+1= $3.333M).
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Ah, well. I'd hoped that extra 2.7 would be able to be used on someone.
Upon further study of the salary cap rules, the Texans are still able to sign at least one more "quality" player even though at first look, the team is up to the cap space.

The reason being not all of the year-one cap charge to rookies apply until later, with the Texans already having more than 51 players under contract with salaries that are at least equitable in cap accounting.

My estimate is that the Texans can still sign another player with the same cap charge as Ed Reed without going over the cap.

Some players will have to be cut down the road at the time when the rules require the Texans to do so to stay under the cap (I'm not sure of the time - I need to study further about the effect of the June 1 designation among other things.)

In summary, if the Texans choose to go "win-now" mode, we may still see another signing or two. And they can sign a few players to the vet minimum as well. Free Agency doesn't have to end for the Texans yet.
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Upon further study of the salary cap rules, the Texans are still able to sign at least one more "quality" player even though at first look, the team is up to the cap space.

The reason being not all of the year-one cap charge to rookies apply until later, with the Texans already having more than 51 players under contract with salaries that are at least equitable in cap accounting.

My estimate is that the Texans can still sign another player with the same cap charge as Ed Reed without going over the cap.

Some players will have to be cut down the road at the time when the rules require the Texans to do so to stay under the cap (I'm not sure of the time - I need to study further about the effect of the June 1 designation among other things.)

In summary, if the Texans choose to go "win-now" mode, we may still see another signing or two. And they can sign a few players to the vet minimum as well. Free Agency doesn't have to end for the Texans yet.

Given that the Texans have not asked Schaub, A.Smith, W.Smith, Foster, or OD to restructure, they can easily free an additional couple million dollars for the cap with minimal effort and harm to the cap moving forward. Also, this is a unique free agent market. There has never been this much talent free with so few available dollars in the history of the modern NFL.

Here's the list: http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/available/
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I don't see another move happening until after the draft.
they won't go into the draft with holes at starting spots...they will sign a mlb and a wr. I'd just about bet money we sign an old vet or two.
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Now that we see we landed Ed at a crazy friendly price, considering Glover Quin would have been a much more expensive option, it shows that patience pays off.
Why do you say that? Quin's deal is pretty cap friendly as well. Maybe $1M more this year & next, but still friendly.
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Why do you say that? Quin's deal is pretty cap friendly as well. Maybe $1M more this year & next, but still friendly.
Here's my deal, Quin was a long term fix. We would of had safety spot rapped up with him for next 5-6 years. Reed is a short term fix. Either way we wouldn't of broken the bank. I think that we were eyeing reed all along problably the reason we never really tried to resign Quin. I guess we will see if it pays off our not this season.
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Here's my deal, Quin was a long term fix. We would of had safety spot rapped up with him for next 5-6 years. Reed is a short term fix. Either way we wouldn't of broken the bank. I think that we were eyeing reed all along problably the reason we never really tried to resign Quin. I guess we will see if it pays off our not this season.
I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."
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There's only one thing I'm concerned about with Reed. He was suspended for a game last year because of accumulated hits on a defenseless player. The league later overturned it and fined him $50K. I hope it doesn't get in his head too much and take away his aggressiveness and I worry about the league trying to suspend him this year if he does happen to pick up a penalty. Its no wonder why he was trying to get as much money as possible.
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There's only one thing I'm concerned about with Reed. He was suspended for a game last year because of accumulated hits on a defenseless player. The league later overturned it and fined him $50K. I hope it doesn't get in his head too much and take away his aggressiveness and I worry about the league trying to suspend him this year if he does happen to pick up a penalty. Its no wonder why he was trying to get as much money as possible.
Now days you get a penalty if you look at the QB wrong, you now get one if you lead hit/tackle with the crown of your helmet this includes defense tackling or hitting a player.

This league is out of control. These guys know the risks of playing the game. It is a choice they make and the career they choose. This may be off subject but if the NFL wants to remain the most popular sport in the world than it better chill out with all these dumb rules for player safety otherwise there wont be any players to protect cause the NFL will be a thing of the past IMO.
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Why do you say that? Quin's deal is pretty cap friendly as well. Maybe $1M more this year & next, but still friendly.
No it's not.

Heh...If a million is no big deal to you, then I don't know what to say.
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Now days you get a penalty if you look at the QB wrong, you now get one if you lead hit/tackle with the crown of your helmet this includes defense tackling or hitting a player.

This league is out of control. These guys know the risks of playing the game. It is a choice they make and the career they choose. This may be off subject but if the NFL wants to remain the most popular sport in the world than it better chill out with all these dumb rules for player safety otherwise there wont be any players to protect cause the NFL will be a thing of the past IMO.
I understand why they're doing it, but for guys who have been taught to play the game a certain way all of their lives its not that easy to just switch it up all of a sudden. The play where Reed was fined was a hit where he turns trying not to just blow the guy up and hits him with his shoulder.
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I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."
Quin's lack of ball skills is what led to his demise here in Houston.
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I understand why they're doing it, but for guys who have been taught to play the game a certain way all of their lives its not that easy to just switch it up all of a sudden. The play where Reed was fined was a hit where he turns trying not to just blow the guy up and hits him with his shoulder.
My whole point is that playing in the NFL is voluntary employment. If the guys are scared of getting hurt then they need to go get regular jobs making what we make. I know a lot of people who have already lost interest in the NFL over how powder puff it has become. They will only begin to lose more and more fans. And they will either have to go back old school or watch the game disappear.

At my job you have to sign a contract just to work here, stating that if you are hurt on the job or have and long term injuries after employment because of work assignments that the company is not liable. NFL implement the same thing and we can go back to some hard hitting.
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My whole point is that playing in the NFL is voluntary employment. If the guys are scared of getting hurt then they need to go get regular jobs making what we make. I know a lot of people who have already lost interest in the NFL over how powder puff it has become. They will only begin to lose more and more fans. And they will either have to go back old school or watch the game disappear.

At my job you have to sign a contract just to work here, stating that if you are hurt on the job or have and long term injuries after employment because of work assignments that the company is not liable. NFL implement the same thing and we can go back to some hard hitting.
I understand, and its no different than any other dangerous job. Growing up around the refineries its the same way, but when that refinery fails to provide safety to their employees it still opens them up to litigation if one of their employees gets injured or dies.
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Quin's lack of ball skills is what led to his demise here in Houston.
I don't know why everyone was so pissy about us letting Quin walk to the Lions.

For the price he was able to command, and how (IMO, at least) he had hit his ceiling, the idea of a truly 100% badass Ed Reed ballhawking at Free Safety for us rather than Quin...and a smooth $1 million LESS than Quin???

That's a no brainer on pure past performance measurables alone.

This could end up being the steal of free agency, actually. If things gel and the defense stays healthy. Best four-man secondary in the game right now. J-Jo and KJ at the corners, and Manning and Reed at safety. A lot of other teams would shoot a man after he left a car wash for that type of secondary. Then finish the guy off a few months down the road. #MarvinHarrisonStyle
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I think the coaching staff wasn't all that thrilled with Quin's development. I think that Wade and Vance sat down with Rick and said, "Hey, listen. Quin's been fine so far but we can do better. Why don't we upgrade the position in the short term by getting a more ball-hawking vet and then draft that guy's replacement for the long term, letting they rook learn from a great."

Sure, we could have had Quin signed and on the team for several years but that's not a "fix". That's a "more of the same."
I think Andre called Reed to congratulate him after the Super Bowl. Reed saw the writing on the wall & asked Andre to get him to Houston. Andre passed his wishes on to the Texans F.O. Bob, Gary, Cal, Rick, & Wade congregated & asked themselves, is this team better with or without Ed Reed.

Once that was settled, they had to figure out how they could make it happen. It would cost too much to cut/trade Manning. We also just got him so it wouldn't make a lot of sense. I on the other hand was already trying to trade/cut him before the 2014 season, but that's neither here nor there.

Manning, imo, is good & versatile. He can play centerfield & he can play in the box. He's not as good as Quin in the box, imo, even though he is a better blitzer. He's not as good as Reed in Centerfield. In the long run, I think this team would have been better with Quin, but Reeds reputation is what they need on the field in 2013. QBs will be looking for Watt on the line, Cushing in the flats, & Reed deep.

I think they were confident they could get Ed Reed for a "fair" value. They allowed Quin to leave for what they thought was roughly the same money..... it just worked out that they got Reed for less than what Quin signed for.


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No it's not.

Heh...If a million is no big deal to you, then I don't know what to say.
$1M of Bob's money, of the Texans' cap space...... not a big deal to me.


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He defensed 14 balls, intercepted 2, & I think forced a fumble. He's not a ballhawk, but his ball skills are fine. Different, but fine. & he's only getting better.

I really hate losing Quin, but I'd have most likely done the same thing given the circumstances.
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My heavens, you DO understand that $1 million in extra cap space means we could get ANOTHER player at a vet minimum of like $500K or $750K????????

I think you know your idea is bad, but you're just committed to it for the sake of going down with your ship.

This isn't YOUR money, by the way. So it doesn't matter how you would spend it or not.

Each team can spend UP TO THE CAP, you do realize that, right? And you do realize, TK, that extra money means an extra player...so we actually end up with two players for the price of Glover Quin.

Simply amazing. The bad logic one can have over this situation.

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This isn't about Andre getting in the ear of the front office, TK.

Geez Louise, what are you smoking tonight???

I mean, is it possible that the following happening (rather than AJ telling the front office there's this guy named Ed Reed they need to look at):

1. Glover Quin was due a BIG FAT ASS RAISE by somebody, anybody. He got one. Not form us, though. Because the FO knew what was going to happen...some team flush with a bazillion in cap space was going to take a run at one of Wade Phillips' young safeties who has a lot of tread on the tires.

2. While the run-up to free agency is occurring, the front office decides to skip the effort to re-sign Quin...and well, hmmm....WHAT IF we went after Ed Reed since we all know (since we in the front office are connected to the NFL world more than fans are) that the Ravens are going to have a fire sale once Flacco's contract hits the news. Hmmm....that just might be a good temporary fix, let's go talk to Gary and Wade about. And we'll keep Bob in the loop on this, too.

3. OK, so we're all on board with wooing Ed Reed to Houston. Sure, other teams are not making a run at him. But then again, we don't have a free safety anymore and we can draft one for the next two years and hopefully get him going for us OR find another one in FA the next two years. Send the jet, oh and by the way.......

4. ...Someone make sure Andre Johnson is staying in close contact with him. Let's leverage that relationship.

I mean, TK, come on man...you really think Ed Reed is here because he's been popping into Rick Smith's office or email inbox...letting them know we should get Ed Reed?

I'm pretty sure they knew AJ and Ed have had that relationship. Pretty sure they didn't need AJ making a sales job to the FO in order to put Ed on the radar.

The planets aligned in a way that got Ed Reed here, and AJ played a cursory role in it. Period.
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Default Re: Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss View Post

Manning, imo, is good & versatile. He can play centerfield & he can play in the box. He's not as good as Quin in the box, imo, even though he is a better blitzer. He's not as good as Reed in Centerfield. In the long run, I think this team would have been better with Quin, but Reeds reputation is what they need on the field in 2013. QBs will be looking for Watt on the line, Cushing in the flats, & Reed deep.
We will need to get another ILB with good run stop and some cover skills and finally a big mean ass 2-gap NT to allow Manning to play back in a more natural position......a situation that would make a QB think even more before he let's a ball go.
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