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Old 03-21-2013   #61
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Lestar Jean and Keyshawn Martin were never given enough chances to prove themselves.
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Just as an example K.Martin drops a pass we don't see him on the field for 4 games yet when Jacoby goes 1 out of 10 targets in replacement of AJ Kubs stands up for his vet.
I agree. Kubiak doesnt allow his rookies much opportunity if they make a mistake before he puts the hook in them very quickly for long periods of time. Of course, the kubiak fan club will say he's "coaching them up" & teaching them "how to be a pro". I disagree because despite those occasional mistakes, which should be expected from rookies IMO, it removes a potential playmaker from the field & doesn't allow them the opportunity to learn on the field. Kubiak did the same thing to Arian at the end of the 2009 season. Arian showed flashes towards the end of the season, but as soon as he messed up he was benched in favor of the bum C. Brown or fumbling Slaton. The Texans were desperate for any type of running game & instead of giving Arian a true opportunity kubiak benched him quickly & often. When Arian finally got an opportunity at the end of 09 he played well, but the Texans didn't know what they quite had. Ultimately they used a high pick on Tate when it seems they could've used that pick elsewhere if Arian had only been given a better opportunity to prove himself in 09 instead of being benched to be "coached up" or taught "how to be a pro".

You cannot honestly tell if a rookie is capable of playing at high level if they are not given a true opportunity IMO. The opportunities for the young wr's simply hasn't happen that often w/ Walter in the way & Kubiaks quick benching of rookies which goes back to at least Arian. Thank goodness the owner stepped in again to point the HC in the direction in saying a playmaking wr is needed, even if it's rookie.
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I want a top draft WR ever trade up if we have to although this is not a very strong WR class imo
Wrong! This is a very good and deep wr class. There will be high quality wrs all the way through round 4. Most of the good wrs were not even high 1st rd picks. The wr corp is more of a collective vs a singular individual. Wheaton,williams,hunter,goodman,patton,and even Rodgers are all 2nd-3rd wr picks who can become very,very good wrs in the nfl.
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Lestar Jean and Keyshawn Martin were never given enough chances to prove themselves.
Lestar Jean is a #4 WR at best. Let's be real here.
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AJ is a borderline HOFer. Pretty rare to find a guy like that, even at the top of the draft, let alone at the bottom of the first. This draft is plenty strong at WR. No AJs or Megatrons, but there is some legit talent.
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Wrong! This is a very good and deep wr class. There will be high quality wrs all the way through round 4. Most of the good wrs were not even high 1st rd picks. The wr corp is more of a collective vs a singular individual. Wheaton,williams,hunter,goodman,patton,and even Rodgers are all 2nd-3rd wr picks who can become very,very good wrs in the nfl.
What rmartin said. Depth is one thing but the top end isn't there. There is a reason AJ, Fitz and CJ were top three picks and that isn't going to happen this year.
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As much as I'd love a Tavon Austin or Hunter in the 1st I'm seeing Jarvis Jones falling to us because of his slow 40. I don't care what that guy ran, when I watched him play he was always all over the field. Special talent all around so if he's there I just don't see how we can pass on him. Think he can make a Suggs like impact.
The experts are shocked but none of them believe he'll drop that far.

Casseerly made the connection to Suggs by-the-way.
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Ive gotta see something in preseason from him...cant wait forever. There's about to be a very brutal competition/numbers game at that position.
I hate to base much off of pre season, since most of the time the (non) starters play with all the back-ups and we all know how sloppy that looks most of the time.
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Lestar Jean is a #4 WR at best. Let's be real here.
Foster was a 3rd at best one time. You remember that ? Though you might not have said it i dont remember hearing much praise about the guy until he broke out in the last 2 games of the season.
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I don't think Jean makes the 53 this year.

And I was one of his biggest supporters the past two seasons. He would have to produce an amazing preseason to be here.

It's time this head coach got very serious about TE and WR. Schaub can't make up time when the pressure is on him, so he has to have WRs and TEs that can separate at the LOS and lose their man at the snap (like OD used to be able to do).
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In our range, I think hunter has the most potential to be that freak #1 receiver. May have to grab him in the first though.

I think there are other guys that can come in and be really good, really productive receivers....maybe even #1 type guys...

But hunter has top ten talent, but just doesn't have the resume. I'm telling you, this guy is legit. He's going to make some team very happy provided they have a halfway decent qb...
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In our range, I think hunter has the most potential to be that freak #1 receiver. May have to grab him in the first though.

I think there are other guys that can come in and be really good, really productive receivers....maybe even #1 type guys...

But hunter has top ten talent, but just doesn't have the resume. I'm telling you, this guy is legit. He's going to make some team very happy provided they have a halfway decent qb...
I have some reservations about Hunter. He's fast but dropped 15lbs before the combine to increase his time, 15lbs is a significant amount of weight. If he adds that back he'll lose a bit of explosiveness. I worked with a young guy trying to make the pro beach volleyball tour. We conducted an experiment where I had him jump with both hands held under his chin to eliminate armswing and his standing jump was 28" then I had him hold a 10lb DB in the same position and his standing jump was 26". That's significant. You can add size and maintain speed, but it can be tricky.

He also has the highest drop amongst the top WR in the draft which is concerning.

I'm also concerned about his non contact ACL injury. I am worried he'll be injury prone.

I want to like him but Im worried.
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I hate to base much off of pre season, since most of the time the (non) starters play with all the back-ups and we all know how sloppy that looks most of the time.
I hear ya, I do to. Problem is when the regular season starts he may not be on the roster anymore.
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I like what I've seen from Quinton Patton from LA Tech. Definitely wouldn't be disappointed if Houston got him. Though I think I'd be happy with any of the WRs that are grading in the Top 10 in the position this year.
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I have some reservations about Hunter. He's fast but dropped 15lbs before the combine to increase his time, 15lbs is a significant amount of weight. If he adds that back he'll lose a bit of explosiveness. I worked with a young guy trying to make the pro beach volleyball tour. We conducted an experiment where I had him jump with both hands held under his chin to eliminate armswing and his standing jump was 28" then I had him hold a 10lb DB in the same position and his standing jump was 26". That's significant. You can add size and maintain speed, but it can be tricky.

He also has the highest drop amongst the top WR in the draft which is concerning.

I'm also concerned about his non contact ACL injury. I am worried he'll be injury prone.

I want to like him but Im worried.
I don't know exactly how much weigh he dropped to run at the combine, but yes, I do have some reservation about Hunter such that I'm hesitant to put him in the first round category.

If I'm a GM, I will have to check out all of those issues (which I'm sure the teams will do, unless you're Al Davis reincarnated, or Jerry Jones... guys like that .)
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I don't think I've seen anyone mention DeAndre Hopkins. I know he ran a pretty pedestrian 4.57 at the combine, but followed that up with a 4.41 at his pro day.

Where do y'all see him going in the draft?
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I don't think I've seen anyone mention DeAndre Hopkins. I know he ran a pretty pedestrian 4.57 at the combine, but followed that up with a 4.41 at his pro day.

Where do y'all see him going in the draft?
Oh, we mentioned about him enough (I think).

Most of us who likes him think he's more of a number 2 receiver though.

He has a good floor, but he doesn't have as high a ceiling as a few others (due to size/speed... you know... the freakish measurables....
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I like what I've seen from Quinton Patton from LA Tech. Definitely wouldn't be disappointed if Houston got him. Though I think I'd be happy with any of the WRs that are grading in the Top 10 in the position this year.
Patton is another one with good floor.
He can get separation with a combination of physicality and quickness, but doesn't have the top end speed nor overpowering presence.
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