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Old 03-20-2013   #61
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This deal was a nobrainer.
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not a huge brice fan after last yr but a great value signing at that price
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I don't care for McCain too much. He did stupid **** on the field and had a lot of lapses. Meh. I guess if we can't upgrade, might as well keep him.
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not a huge brice fan after last yr but a great value signing at that price
I hate to be the one dissenting opinion, but that's too much money. A million a year would have been too much. I could see them doing $1M/yr maybe one & a qtr.. But once we start getting close to $2M for a nickel when you've got two really good corners & stable of young'ns waiting to prove themselves......

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Personally I'd have let McCain walk. I don't think he's more than a #4 corner and I think you can find a rookie corner in the draft that could compete with Harris for the nickel duties.

I like that McCain is experienced, but I just dont believe he's more than back end depth. Not good on the outside at all and he's a bit below avg in the slot. I think he looked better last season because of the teams we faced and the pressure we got.

I think Brandon Harris is a much better player overall and I imagine he'll get the starting nickel spot over him.
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I think Brandon Harris is a much better player overall and I imagine he'll get the starting nickel spot over him.
What do you think about cutting Keo?

Harris plays the nickel, when we go to dime, Harris takes Demps/Keo spot, McCain comes in to play the slot?

When Reed finally rides off into the sunset, Harris becomes our Reed?
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Brice McCain was rated 104 out of 113 CBs overall in 2012 (>25% of team snaps.) His coverage rating is what hurt him, putting him at 107th. His rush, run, and penalty ratings were middle of the pack.

Brice's company down that low in the ratings includes Nnamdi Asomugha and Janoris Jenkins.

Brandon Harris did not meet the >25% of team snaps, so we have a smaller sample size and larger population comparison. He rated 167 out of 217 CBs overall ( no minimum playing time.) Harris was middle of the pack in all areas except penalty, where he rated 211 of 217.

Harris equaled K.J.'s penalties, but K.J. did so in 1030 snaps compared to Harris' 177 snaps.

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What I remember seeing is that Harris' penalties were from being aggressive, where KJax penalties were from getting burnt.
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What do you think about cutting Keo?

Harris plays the nickel, when we go to dime, Harris takes Demps/Keo spot, McCain comes in to play the slot?

When Reed finally rides off into the sunset, Harris becomes our Reed?
I Think the texans have been wanting to try Harris at safety.

I'm fine with cutting keo...never wanted him to make the team and I think Eddie pleasant is a better player.

I like the idea of trying Harris at safety. I love the way he attacks the ball in the air and I think he would have good range and be physical enough for the position.
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I Think the texans have been wanting to try Harris at safety.

I'm fine with cutting keo...never wanted him to make the team and I think Eddie pleasant is a better player.

I like the idea of trying Harris at safety. I love the way he attacks the ball in the air and I think he would have good range and be physical enough for the position.
Move Harris to safety and have him learn from Reed. Both from the U. Mold that aggressiveness into skill and he'd be a hell of a replacement for Reed in a few years.
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Move Harris to safety and have him learn from Reed. Both from the U. Mold that aggressiveness into skill and he'd be a hell of a replacement for Reed in a few years.
This is what I think we should do. But the chances of the Texans doing it... slim.

Paying McCain like a salty Vet..... that's a lot of money to sit behind a nickel corner. But, imo, Harris played to well to bury him on the bench, not good enough to trade mind you, but it won't make sense to not play him.
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This is what I think we should do. But the chances of the Texans doing it... slim.
I don't know what the odds of that move would be, but the year before when manning got hurt kubiak specifically mentioned Brandon Harris as a potential safety on gamedays. He said he had been working as a safety in practice.

I wouldn't be surprised if Harris was the third "safety" with McCain being the nickel corner when/if we still use that look.

From a coverage standpoint I think having Jjo, Kareem, McCain, Harris, reed, and manning on the field with Cushing as the lb trumps anything we put on the field this past year by far.
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Good news just for the fact that Harris moved down a spot and hopefully is gone, he is terrible.
I dunno about terrible. Not good, certainly BUT at least we know that Kilo Sheo (or whatever) is gone.
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Eh, a little more guaranteed money than I would've liked but I guess we'll see.
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This is what I think we should do. But the chances of the Texans doing it... slim.

Paying McCain like a salty Vet..... that's a lot of money to sit behind a nickel corner. But, imo, Harris played to well to bury him on the bench, not good enough to trade mind you, but it won't make sense to not play him.
It seems that with the higher emphasis on passing throughout the league teams are using their nickels a lot more than they used to. I don't know what they tend to get outside of Houston, but I can see how agents and the players will push to get more even if they are just a nickel. I wouldn't be surprised if our nickel is on the field more than our 2nd ILB.
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McCain was an important signing. Didn't he start two games last year before his injury? He's way better than Harris. Everybody behind McCain is replaceable if you ask me.
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I dunno about terrible. Not good, certainly BUT at least we know that Kilo Sheo (or whatever) is gone.
I'm not so sure he's gone. Right now the Texans have Manning, Reed, Demps, and Keo as their Safeties with Pleasant on the PS. If they draft a Safety, and I expect them to, that will give them 6 on the roster for 4 or possibly 5 spots. That 4th, and possibly 5th, spot could come down to who plays the best Special Teams. Also, Pleasant could be stashed on the PS again. Remember, Keo stuck last year when a lot thought he would be cut, so I'm thinking VJ or Marciano must like him for some reason.
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I'm not so sure he's gone. Right now the Texans have Manning, Reed, Demps, and Keo as their Safeties with Pleasant on the PS. If they draft a Safety, and I expect them to, that will give them 6 on the roster for 4 or possibly 5 spots. That 4th, and possibly 5th, spot could come down to who plays the best Special Teams. Also, Pleasant could be stashed on the PS again. Remember, Keo stuck last year when a lot thought he would be cut, so I'm thinking VJ or Marciano must like him for some reason.
Demps needs to go!!!
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Unless I missed something last I checked Demps is a free agent still and not part of the Texans roster.
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I don't see this is either/or or one is better than the other. Given that so many teams play 3/4 WR sets as much if not more than the classic 2-back `1TE set, the needs need as many guys who have cover skills as possible.

Both McCain and Harris will probably take more snaps than a run stuffing NT and maybe the 2nd ILB. Neither played well enough in 2012.

On McCain specifically, I watch only 6 or 7 Texans games from home, so I can't screen shot this, but i think that teams figured out ways to make McCain attempt to cover guys bigger stronger than him. he is good with smaller pure slot Wrs and guys with average talent, but struggles when having to cover guys with even average size (I think at least) and some Wr skill.
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I'm not so sure he's gone. Right now the Texans have Manning, Reed, Demps, and Keo as their Safeties with Pleasant on the PS. If they draft a Safety, and I expect them to, that will give them 6 on the roster for 4 or possibly 5 spots. That 4th, and possibly 5th, spot could come down to who plays the best Special Teams. Also, Pleasant could be stashed on the PS again. Remember, Keo stuck last year when a lot thought he would be cut, so I'm thinking VJ or Marciano must like him for some reason.
This is supposedly a strong S class....if we start the season with Keo on the roster I'm gonna scream.
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