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Old 03-20-2013   #41
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Brice McCain was rated 104 out of 113 CBs overall in 2012 (>25% of team snaps.) His coverage rating is what hurt him, putting him at 107th. His rush, run, and penalty ratings were middle of the pack.

Brice's company down that low in the ratings includes Nnamdi Asomugha and Janoris Jenkins.

Brandon Harris did not meet the >25% of team snaps, so we have a smaller sample size and larger population comparison. He rated 167 out of 217 CBs overall ( no minimum playing time.) Harris was middle of the pack in all areas except penalty, where he rated 211 of 217.

Harris equaled K.J.'s penalties, but K.J. did so in 1030 snaps compared to Harris' 177 snaps.


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No surprise on McCain having a bad rating. It was obvious at times this past season that he was struggling even in the slot position & not playing nearly as well as he did in 2011. So somebody's silly assumption that it was just my "THOUGHT" can now see it was FACT. Watching a game or 2 & doing a little research can go a long way. Just a THOUGHT. Lol!

The penalties is the area for concern w/ Harris IMO. He did seem to get untimely penalties that were costly. I believe that is something that can be fixed. Harris played aggressive & made plays on the ball & that is what got him on occasion. With additional playing time I think the penalties improve because he can learn what he can & cannot get away w/ the refs. That type of knowledge is primarily gained by being on the field. Most know that cb's have to get physical, but they have to know the limits or be penalized...that's Harris' problem IMO. I liked how he played physical & was normally in position to make plays on the ball. He showed some decent awareness by normally being in the area to make a play & was effective at times against the likes of Welker & Wayne. Those are some qualities that eluded both McCain & Kareem early in their careers.

As I said before, writing Harris off as a bust after only 2 seasons w/ very limited playing time is shortsighted & foolish IMO. With the "2 seasons & done" thought process, McCain shouldn't even be talked today because according to some of y'all he, & KJ for that matter, should've been deemed busts & gone by now. Once again, a double standard that makes absolutely zero sense IMO.
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If McCain starts over Harris, I'd be surprised.
I was about to post the same thing.

Harris is a better player than Brice McCain, but it doesn't hurt to have McCain as insurance.

Brandon Harris looked good last season. It was his first significant playing time and he made some nice plays. He's more physical than McCain and I think he's got more playmaking ability. He made his fair share of mistakes, but again it was almost like his rookie season.
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Im usually a stat guy but im going with what I saw on this one. I agree its way to soon to call harris a bust but I saw him giving up alot of big plays and extending big drives at the end of games towards the end of the season when our D was falling apart.

This is a good signing. Three years is no long term commitment and by the end of that contract we will know what Harris is worth.
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I was about to post the same thing.

Harris is a better player than Brice McCain, but it doesn't hurt to have McCain as insurance.

Brandon Harris looked good last season. It was his first significant playing time and he made some nice plays. He's more physical than McCain and I think he's got more playmaking ability.
Glad I'm not the only one. Sometimes people look at a couple of interference penalties, because it is something easy to latch onto.
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You can't have too many decent CBs, especially when they showed potential.

Forget about the rating; a lot of the CBs on the list don't play man anywhere near often as our guys.
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As cool as it is to take shots at our draft classes (affectionately known on TT as: "The Offseason"), is it cool if we at least wait 3 years to determine if they are "busts" or not? IIRC, Wade wasn't in the draft room until the 2011 draft, so I think we can justifiably rate that 2011 class at the end of this season.

Or you can just be upset that the front office didn't overpay on every FA out there and land our team in the "Casserly" circle of Cap Hell. I know most of you like big splashy names that don't live up their contracts, so I'm going to guess that most of you will take this choice.

Carry on...just passing through...
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We can't really call this a good or bad signing until we see the numbers. Have they been released yet?
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The penalties is the area for concern w/ Harris IMO. He did seem to get untimely penalties that were costly. I believe that is something that can be fixed. Harris played aggressive & made plays on the ball & that is what got him on occasion.
I believe that is exactly why he got so many penalties (& I wonder if they counted his special teams penalties as well), but I don't know that they need to be "fixed"

The two that I think were most costly to us was the PI on Welker. They were about 5-6 yards from the LOS, Welker initiated the contact by running into Harris, then tried to turn & run back the other way. Harris didn't allow him to do that. I don't think that call is made 7 out of 10 times. Even though the ball is in the air, anything close to 5 yards usually get's "overlooked"

It sucks that the penalty was called, by letter of the law, he was guilty & they got a 1st down out of it. But had he not done what he did, Welker was just as likely to break that little dump off for a 20 to 40 yard gain & maybe even a TD.

Same thing with the one he got against Reggie Wayne. Reggie got into Harris then tried to get separation by pushing off. Harris didn't let him. We got a penalty, they got a 1st down for a pretty big gain, but again, it could have been a TD on a push off that normally isn't called. We got a raw deal on that one, but it's a penalty I want my guy to take every time. Simply because they rarely call OPI to the letter of the law.

If you remember what Quin looked like when he played CB for us, that's what Harris reminds me of, only more athletic. He's like a bulldog, he won't back down & he's going to be in your face all day. He's going to get his hands on the ball & next year, because he's more comfortable with game speed & all that, he's going to catch a lot of those balls, where that's just not Quin's game. He'll knock a lot of balls down, but he's not going to catch a whole lot of them.

Anyway, I'm very excited to see what we got in Brandon Harris.
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The two that I think were most costly to us was the PI on Welker. They were about 5-6 yards from the LOS, Welker initiated the contact by running into Harris, then tried to turn & run back the other way. Harris didn't allow him to do that. I don't think that call is made 7 out of 10 times. Even though the ball is in the air, anything close to 5 yards usually get's "overlooked"
Right now Harris' infractions are far too blatant and going to get consistently called. Somebody needs to tuck him into a room with Aaron Glenn footage to learn how you get away with contact. Glenn was a master at minor contact/arm fighting.
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Good news, good player.
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Great under the radar move.
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As cool as it is to take shots at our draft classes (affectionately known on TT as: "The Offseason"), is it cool if we at least wait 3 years to determine if they are "busts" or not? IIRC, Wade wasn't in the draft room until the 2011 draft, so I think we can justifiably rate that 2011 class at the end of this season.

Or you can just be upset that the front office didn't overpay on every FA out there and land our team in the "Casserly" circle of Cap Hell. I know most of you like big splashy names that don't live up their contracts, so I'm going to guess that most of you will take this choice.

Carry on...just passing through...
That's not the way things are done around here! You should know that by now HoP! If they haven't shown anything after the 1st year, they're a BUST! Kubes, Smith, McNair, etc... don't know what they're doing and should be fired for keeping them any longer!
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That looks very reasonable.
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Way less then what his agent was trying to get.
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That looks very reasonable.
I think so too.
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That's a damn good deal especially if he continues to progress.
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Brice McCain 3 year deal: $5.25 million, $2.25 guaranteed.

Good deal, I bet it's structured so that third year is worth 3 million. 2 years 2.25 million sounds great to me, especially considering this won't affect our compensatory picks for next year.
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Brice McCain 3 year deal: $5.25 million, $2.25 guaranteed.

Good deal, I bet it's structured so that third year is worth 3 million. 2 years 2.25 million sounds great to me, especially considering this won't affect our compensatory picks for next year.
I don't think the texans could have done much better then that...
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I am very pleased with this deal w/ McCAIN.
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