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Old 03-16-2013   #21
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Got it. Feel dumb, should have known that.
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Texans can draft a rookie OLB in the first and get him signed for under 2 million per season (see Mercilus' contract). I doubt they'd offer more than 5 million per season, and I'm sure they're aware how poorly Dumervil plays the run.
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signing Dumervil would be akin to signing both Manning & Joseph. Elvis has elite first step unlike Barwin. He has ability to create turnovers without sacrificing assignment dedication. Plus it's hell of a lot easier to find replacement for Quin than a Mario. This is a great year for young stud safeties via the draft, not so much for edge rushers.
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Crazy thing is a writer once had an article about trading Mario for Dumerville and everyone thought he was crazy.
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This could be a feint by the Texans, too.

1. Make some other team overpay for Dumerville

2. Maybe tempts Team Ed Reed to get our deal done out of fear that we'll jump to Dumerville if things drag out too long.

The questions to be answered are:

A.) Will we go after a singular "star" player, or

B.) Try to spread the salary around by going after two players of good, but not "great" player, or

C.) Do nothing and see if anybody else gets released that we catch on the rebound due to a team signing any of the higher priced FA's

Plus, what position do we end up addressing?

Intriguing moments here. This has been a fun free agency, tbh. Much to talk about with a lot of teams and players making moves on a large quantity of players.
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Texans lacked pass rush even with Barwin. Now that Barwin is gone pass rush is even more important. Sign Dumervil & Texans actually upgrade pass rush. Sign a 1st or 2nd rd safety & there is a good possibility Texans can upgrade there as well. In other words Rick, take the money you would have needed to sign both Barwin & Quin to ink Elvis Dumervil. Simple math even beerlover can do it
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If you can get him, you do whatever you have to in order to get under the cap. with 5 million in dead money, the Broncos cannot pay him what we can. If he is at all willing to come here, you get it done.
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Who needs a FS when you got Dumervil? No need to defend a pass that is never thrown. Mercilus/Dumervil @ OLB with Cushing/Reed ILB? Championship! No sarcasm this time.
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This could be a feint by the Texans, too.

1. Make some other team overpay for Dumerville

2. Maybe tempts Team Ed Reed to get our deal done out of fear that we'll jump to Dumerville if things drag out too long.

The questions to be answered are:

A.) Will we go after a singular "star" player, or

B.) Try to spread the salary around by going after two players of good, but not "great" player, or

C.) Do nothing and see if anybody else gets released that we catch on the rebound due to a team signing any of the higher priced FA's

Plus, what position do we end up addressing?

Intriguing moments here. This has been a fun free agency, tbh. Much to talk about with a lot of teams and players making moves on a large quantity of players.
You give this FO way too much credit. Secondly, this is not the type of team that goes after high profile guys even if it's a area of need. The only reason why we ever pursued and signed JJo and Manning was because we were historically bad and it finally went through their heads that there's something amiss here and we should actually do something for a change!
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Who needs a FS when you got Dumervil? No need to defend a pass that is never thrown. Mercilus/Dumervil @ OLB with Cushing/Reed ILB? Championship! No sarcasm this time.
Mercilus and Dumervil on the edge is good against the pass, but it scares me against the run. And I want to see Reed play ILB before I anoint him as our ILB savior.
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He was willing to do basically 1yr for 8m with denver. The texans could offer a deal that avg 7m,but with more g-money. 5yr 35m with 17m g. They could give him 3.5m bonus this yr and a 2m salary. The rest would be in incentives. They could then cut antonio smith and his 6.5m salary.
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Mercilus and Dumervil on the edge is good against the pass, but it scares me against the run. And I want to see Reed play ILB before I anoint him as our ILB savior.
I don't think a defense of Watt, Smith, Dumervil, and Mercilus would give the offense an opportunity to be in running downs. Besides, Cushing and Reed play the run well enough to be effective.

Just a Madden dream anyway.
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Dumervil will go back to Denver. He had a contract worked out already. A technical invalidation is no reason for him to leave home.
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Dumervil will go back to Denver. He had a contract worked out already. A technical invalidation is no reason for him to leave home.
There is a huge reason why that won't work out unless Denver wants to sign him to a new multi year deal. Denver now has just under $5 mil in dead money and only wanted to pay Dumervil $8 mil. You think Dumervil is going to play for $3 mil when he can get a lot more elsewhere?
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Antonio's cap is $9.5. This is the last year of his contract and he could be cut with 6 mil in savings and $3.5 in dead money. Better would be to extend him 2 years with something like:

$1 mil, $3 mil and $4 mil in base salaries with an $8.5 mil signing bonus, i.e. he gets everything promised this year and an extension.

His cap hit would go to $3.83 for a savings of almost 6 mil. Same savings as cutting him and keep the player.



Please see above. You clearly just don't like Smith wanting to cut him in every thread. My proposal makes much more sense for the team.
Or maybe I watched teams (pats,colts,packers) block watt and work the secondary like old main st. JJ had what, half the teams sacks? Antonio is a solid player, dummerville is a all pro,pro bowl caliber player. Not only that,he's younger and he knocks the qb down. He improves your secondary big time. You take smith money and give it to the better player.
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You give this FO way too much credit. Secondly, this is not the type of team that goes after high profile guys even if it's a area of need. The only reason why we ever pursued and signed JJo and Manning was because we were historically bad and it finally went through their heads that there's something amiss here and we should actually do something for a change!
No, you guys think that because we never hear the inside details of our FO's plans and how the FA system has a million moving, fluid parts to it, then it must mean the FO are boobs.

Seriously, once again you're proving my point: Fans don't know what goes on in a FO leading up to the FA period and even during the FA period.

Just because something doesn't go the way you think it should go, it doesn't mean the FO screwed the pooch.

To you, the FO gets players by blind luck and misses out on the player they really wanted. Sure, our primary target was Aso but there was a Plan B and the FO switched gears. Still have to give credit to the FO for not being stubborn like the HC has proven to be his whole time here. That's why Rick > Gary...one guy has ability to adjust, the other doesn't.
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Fuq yeah!

That's what I'm talking about. A real damn edge rusher. If we get dummervile I'd be ridiculously pleased. Leave reed on the strong side.
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After my rant, I'd like to ask someone who understands the cap more than me to explain the ramifications of going over it. I've heard 'hard cap' which i thought meant 'cant go over it' and then some people say that Dallas and WAshington are paying luxury taxes for going over the said 'hard cap'. Im a little confused. If YOU CAN go over a cap I think the Texans should for at least this year with whats available right this minute.
There is no going over the salary cap in the NFL like the NBA where you have the soft cap and luxury tax. The NFL's cap is a hard cap.

There are two dates - one around training camp which your top 45 (I believe thats the number) salaries must fit under the cap and the final cut off date where your entire 53 man roster has to fit under the cap.


The uncapped year is what Dallas and Washington were penalized for. That uncapped year wasnt really uncapped from what I understand.


Cak is right , search Dutchrudder's post history .... He can answer these questions with more clarity. I understand them , just have a hard time explaining it all , remembering dates and numbers. But the bottom line is : There is no luxury tax! There is no exceeding the cap!
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That's what I'm talking about. A real damn edge rusher. If we get dummervile I'd be ridiculously pleased. Leave reed on the strong side.
Or move Reed inside and rotate him with Mercilus/Dumervil in the nickel/dime package.
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Or move Reed inside and rotate him with Mercilus/Dumervil in the nickel/dime package.
Im really wondering what the nickle front looks like going forward , last year we saw a lot of Ninja and Watt inside of Barwin and Reed at the ends.

If Reed moved inside they could have Dumervil and Mercilus outside on passing downs and a rotation of the three as ends on passing downs .... and have Braman for depth.

Still leaves a pretty big hole in the middle of the DL in the three man front and .... a glaring hole in the ass end.
Ive heard rumor that they intend to play Mitchell at the nose with Crick as his primary backup. I have no source to link to so take it for what its worth.

Dumervil and a veteran safety and the defense might just be ok .... tho you'd have to add some depth at DE , ILB and OLB as one injury could make a mess of the whole thing.
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