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Old 03-16-2013   #101
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Dummervil would clearly be an OLB for us which he has played in a 3-4 previously. The point was net effect. Would the drop off from Smith to Crick be greater than the increase from Dummervil over Mercilos. It's arguable. Frankly I would rather restructure Smith to keep him and then sign Dummervil and have them both.
The production they would get out of whitney,watt,and dummervill far exceed what they would get out of that watt,whitney,and smith. Smith is a good player,but he's not gonna hit the qb or sack the qb enough to justify 9m. For 9m they could get dumervill and either draft datone jones,malicah goodman,sylvester williams or even sign seymore as a stop gap until crick or mitchell is truy ready. Elvis is a bonifide probowler and guy who can make the qb uneasy. Against top flight passing teams,they turned the pass pro to jj and nobody else could get to the qb. If you turn to jj with elvis opposite,he's gonna be in the qbs grill wrecking shop. Anotonio ain't doing that from mario to jj. The teams that have worked the texans were pass 1st,so I wouldn't worry about power running teams.
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I hope you're not implying that antonio is better than dummerville? When smith played opposite mario,he only had 5 sacks. When he plays on the same line as darnell dockett he only had 5 sacks. Dummervill had 8 as a rookie. He also led the league as a 3-4 olb with 17. He had 11 last yr on a down year. Smith played opposite the dmvp and got what 6 sacks. Getting the qb on the ground is what wins in this league,not almost getting there. Dummervill is far and away the better player and he's also younger. I don't see why this is even up for discussion.
It's not just about sacks. Connor Barwin had 12 sacks (same as Von Miller) in 2011 but only rated in the bottom third of 3-4 OLBs, and Texans fans now know why. Aldon Smith had 20 sacks in 2012 -- a great rating & year -- but his sackness ended after Justin Smith partially tore his triceps tendon mid-December. PFF ratings for the last 3 years:

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Dumervil was rated 44th out of 62 4-3 DEs
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Dumervil was rated 30th out of 67 4-3 DEs
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Antonio Smith was rated 43rd out of 65 4-3 DEs(Bush)
Dumervil did not play, torn pec.
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It's not just about sacks. Connor Barwin had 12 sacks (same as Von Miller) in 2011 but only rated in the bottom third of 3-4 OLBs, and Texans fans now know why. Aldon Smith had 20 sacks in 2012 -- a great rating & year -- but his sackness ended after Justin Smith partially tore his triceps tendon mid-December. PFF ratings for the last 3 years:

2012,
Antonio Smith was rated 6th out of 34 3-4 DEs
Dumervil was rated 44th out of 62 4-3 DEs
2011,
Antonio Smith was rated 8th out of 32 3-4 DEs(Wade)
Dumervil was rated 30th out of 67 4-3 DEs
2010,
Antonio Smith was rated 43rd out of 65 4-3 DEs(Bush)
Dumervil did not play, torn pec.
Pff is not the bible bro. Its subjective and should be used as such. Aldon played with a torn labrum that he played with from week 5. If you watch teams other than the texans, you will notice he stopped crossing the tackles face and failed to convert speed to power because of the shoulder. Elvis has avg 10 sacks a yr despite playing opposite of no one until miller came aboard. You can skew stats and ratings,but elvis is a top 10 pass rusher in a pass happy league. He's a much better player and have a bigger impact on the game than a guy who almost gets there. He's 29 and he's free. Its a lot easier to fill antonio smith role as a 1 gap 3-4 guy than it is to get a premier pass rush like elnis. I don't think that's even up for debate..

5yrs 35m with 15m g > smith making 9m this season and his production.
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http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000151235/

NFL.com states he played weeks 12-17 injured.
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Apple and oranges. Smith and Dumervil don't play the same position and are not interchangeable.
Our current base front: Mercilus - Smith - Mitchell - Watt - Reed.
Our current nickel and dime front: Mercilus - Smith - Watt - Reed.

Dumervil can only play spots filled by Mercilus or Reed, not Smith. A 5-technique actually has to shed blockers and can't rely upon speed moves.
If they cut Smith they'd have to find another 5-technique as Crick's not ready to start.
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Really? Source, bro?
Smith first appeared on the injury report on Nov. 21st which would be for the week 12 game - Link He got 4.5 sacks in the next three games then Justin Smith went down and he got none thereafter.
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Aren't the Texans like 12 mil under the cap?

They could cut/ Restructure some contracts. A.Smith, Schaub come to mind. Bottom line there's not a FA out there that Rick couldn't sign if he wanted too at this point in FA.
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Apple and oranges. Smith and Dumervil don't play the same position and are not interchangeable.
Our current base front: Mercilus - Smith - Mitchell - Watt - Reed.
Our current nickel and dime front: Mercilus - Smith - Watt - Reed.

Dumervil can only play spots filled by Mercilus or Reed, not Smith. A 5-technique actually has to shed blockers and can't rely upon speed moves.
If they cut Smith they'd have to find another 5-technique as Crick's not ready to start.
Yep, but if they signed Dumervil they could cut A.Smith, play Crick and draft Datone Jones to play the 5 tech. Or move Mitchell to DE and draft Brandon Williams in the 2nd rd.

A front 7 that looked like this would be awsome, Think pressure defense, it would take alot of responsibilty off the backend of the defense.

Watt/Williams/Mitchell or Crick. If they didn't use a 1st rd pick on Jones.
Dumervil/Cushing/Reed/Mercilus
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...abrum-surgery/

Aldon was on the injury report the last 9 weeks. 6 reg season a 3 posit season games.
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Aldon was on the injury report the last 9 weeks. 6 reg season a 3 posit season games.
Same injury Dwight Howard had?
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NFL.com states he played weeks 12-17 injured.
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Yep, after thinking about it I hope that the Texans sit back and let a lot of these sucker teams use up most or all of their cap space money, look at the Colts, and then sign a couple of players after the feeding frenzy has subsided. So many teams are overpaying players it is ridiculous, and good for us. Most successful teams don't spend too much in the FA market, Green Bay, and I hope this is what we are doing. Interesting fact I read was that the last time a team that signed an "impact" free agent and went on to win the Super Bowl was in 2009. Safety Darren Sharper, NO Saints. There is still a lot of talent at the S position available in the FA market so I would not panic just yet.
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What do you guys think about the possibility of going after Nnamdi Asomugha and moving him to FS. Aso is currently 31 yoa. and will be 32 yoa. by the time the 2013 season starts. He's been in the league for 8 yrs., has great size for the position, speed, and experience, and many CB's will switch to FS to extend their careers. Aso is on the wrong side of 30 and had a bad season last year, which I think is more the fault of the Eagles defensive coordinator than Aso but still... I'm thinking he's got what it takes to be that center field ball hawk that everyone wants. If so what would it cost to sign him? Opinions?
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What do you guys think about the possibility of going after Nnamdi Asomugha and moving him to FS. Aso is currently 31 yoa. and will be 32 yoa. by the time the 2013 season starts. He's been in the league for 8 yrs., has great size for the position, speed, and experience, and many CB's will switch to FS to extend their careers. Aso is on the wrong side of 30 and had a bad season last year, which I think is more the fault of the Eagles defensive coordinator than Aso but still... I'm thinking he's got what it takes to be that center field ball hawk that everyone wants. If so what would it cost to sign him? Opinions?
I think this has been discussed but for the right price i would def sign him to play safety. BUt i doubt he thinks he is at the point to where he needs to be a safety and i'm sure he's looking for redemption at CB after his debacle with the eagles. I could be wrong but if we could get him for 5 million or less i would def consider it.
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It's not just about sacks. Connor Barwin had 12 sacks (same as Von Miller) in 2011 but only rated in the bottom third of 3-4 OLBs, and Texans fans now know why. Aldon Smith had 20 sacks in 2012 -- a great rating & year -- but his sackness ended after Justin Smith partially tore his triceps tendon mid-December. PFF ratings for the last 3 years:

2012,
Antonio Smith was rated 6th out of 34 3-4 DEs
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2011,
Antonio Smith was rated 8th out of 32 3-4 DEs(Wade)
Dumervil was rated 30th out of 67 4-3 DEs
2010,
Antonio Smith was rated 43rd out of 65 4-3 DEs(Bush)
Dumervil did not play, torn pec.
Where does PFF rank Earl Mitchell at DT? Do they have him as awful against the run?
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Rey would be beastly, but he won't come cheap. somebody like Dan Connor would be more realistic.
Maualuga resigned with Cincy - 2 years $6.5 million.
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what about Urlacher? Could he really be worse than James?

I understand he's lost a step in defending the pass, but he's still very stout around the line of scrimmage and up the middle. would allow Cush to roam and make plays instead of sticking to gap responsibilites. Just an idea, Bears giving that man a raw deal IMO, maybe we could swoop in and give him a nice 1 year deal and hope he would be an asset.
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I'm surprised he got that much.
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Lets just sign Hampton and Harrison in FA they should be fairly inexpensive for a yr or 2 and draft a couple of S. This appears to be a good class for S.
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